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President of Poland and other high-ranking officials killed in plane crash (pg. 4)
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| infinity HiGH |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by VDub
Besides the fact that it was apparently pilot error anyway so...... |
yeah
agree to disagree!
once again - total tragedy :( |
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| gummybear |
sad day for Poland..RIP to all the dead..
:sadgreen: :sadgreen: |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
He is the only Russian leader that hasn't apologized for the Katyn Massacre. |
he has nothing to apologize for, he has nothing to do with it, and neither do any of other leaders before and after him
the execution was approved Stalin and Beria in 1940..
the fact that a special memorial was set up in Smolensk is already a big sign of remorse on Russia's part.. |
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| jad |
| That's horrible. Hope that the situation is stable in Poland right now. |
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| geroin |
http://translate.google.com/transla...he/&sl=ru&tl=en
broken english but better than nothing
"Thus, the major versions are bad weather and pilot error. Almost all public services involved in investigating the accident, said that the planting of the Tu-154 took place in a strong mist. Shortly before the plane Kaczynski in the "North" was to sit down IL-76, which flew from Moscow, a group of FSB officers, according to Gazeta Wyborcza. Airplane FSB twice attempted to land near Smolensk, but eventually turned back at Vnukovo.
Due to bad weather the crew of the aircraft of the Polish president offered to put him in Minsk and in Moscow. Nevertheless, it was decided otherwise - to follow at your destination. The plane was landing 4 times. Itar-Tass on Polish television, with the last attempt liner sank in dense fog to a height of 2.5 meters above the ground. Then the pilot tried again to raise the aircraft, but the rate has been greatly reduced, the liner touched the trees and crashed. Even in one version, while the plane circled over the landing strip, he could simply run out of fuel. In addition, the aircraft deviated from the runway, not only in height but the width of not less than 150 meters, said Shoigu. Because of what this could happen, the head of MOE has not yet clarified." |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
he has nothing to apologize for, he has nothing to do with it |
Russian leadership should apologize for such a horrific event. Even so, Putin made up excuses for it happening (Putin said it was revenge for Polish acitvities during WWI). Very distasteful. |
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| VDub |
According to CP24, the Speaker is taking over the Presidency...
Do they not have a Vice-President over there??? |
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| Xavier Moriarty |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
Russian leadership should apologize for such a horrific event. Even so, Putin made up excuses for it happening (Putin said it was revenge for Polish acitvities during WWI). Very distasteful. |
lol |
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| hardcore_barbie |
whats distasteful is that the guy that took over the presidency for the next 2 months (his name is komorowski) while a new president is picked is coincidentally also a candidate (the election was suppose to happen in october after 5 years of kaczynski's presidency)... kaczynski was of course running to be re-elected (from the PiS party) && another candidate- szmajdzinski (from the SLD party) was also on the plane && died...
komorowski who is the official head of the country now is from the PO party, the same party that the premier of poland, tusk is from (the premier gets as much say in the gov't of poland as the president). tusk ran for presidency 5 years ago but lost to kaczynski but since there was not enough votes in the senate just for kaczynski's party... the party had to join with another to create a full senate && thats how tusk became the premier...
in the last couple of years there has been a huge controversy in poland over a HUGE corruption scam where many members of the PO party (the party of tusk, the premier of poland & komorowski, the current head of the country) stole $250 million from the country's budget...
the president that died - kaczynski, along with another politician - baserman were getting down to the bottom of this corruption scam... this politician was of course on the plane as well and died...
what im trying to say is that sadly... if this was not just a REALLY obscure accident it was not caused by the russians but internally... however this weakens poland politically... && lastly ill mention that tusk, poland's premier became very close with putin over the last few years... kaczynski was looked bad upon for being too right-winged... he believed in poland's autonomy... therefore he did not want to get close with the countries surrounding poland... russia and germany... perhaps this allows russia to get closer relations with poland which might not not mean that good times are ahead... |
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| geroin |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore_barbie
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some good points here, i'm also wondering why did tusk fly in on wednesday by himself to meet with putin instead of flying with the same people on saturday like everyone else did. hrrmm... |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
Russian leadership should apologize for such a horrific event. Even so, Putin made up excuses for it happening (Putin said it was revenge for Polish acitvities during WWI). Very distasteful. |
Stalin committed crimes against everyone, even his own people - it has been accepted so by the Russian government, and there's even a national day to remember the victims of this oppression. And besides, many countries have their dark moments. Should we just go back centuries and everyone apologize for everything? Us apologizing for invading native lands and assimilating natives? Should Spain apologize for the genocide of American native peoples in 1400s-1600s? etc. At least Russia accepted that crimes were committed, built a memorial, invited Polish dignitaries, to commemorate victims of crimes by authoritarian regimes.
Putin didnt make any excuses, he was merely guessing why those men were killed, but as a matter of a fact noone ever knows what was inside Stalin's head when he made the decision, no motive, but suspicion is that it was revenge. Because a considerable number of those Poles were involved in the defeat of the invading Red Army in 1920.
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