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| kamil |
I'm not going to accept that kind of backpedaling.
What needs to happen is the government to allow foreign ISPs to come into the market and give REAL competition to Bell and Rogers.
Canada is in desperate need of new broadband technologies to drive prices down as bell and rogers continue their duopoly and profiteering.
How many of you would like to see WiMax come to Canada? I'd love to get that kind of functionality. Sure it may not be 'omg fast' but its more than plenty for many and I'm willing to make the sacrifice of speed for functionality. In Japan WiMax can hit up to 40mbits per second. That means actual download speeds of 5mbp/s. Up to 20mbits in Spain, 18mbits in Tajikistan and a whopping 100mbit and above speeds in New York.
Where the is Canada on that list?
Rogers up to 21mbps at a maximum of 5gb per month for $65/month and 5¢/MB extra.
What a joke, for THAT price it should be unlimited but since canadians are stupid and dont know any better because bell and rogers are capable of making us believe these are fair prices, this duopoly bull WILL NOT END.
Thoughts? |
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| jester |
Death to BCE, Rogers and Quebecor.
Just give me back my damn BANDWIDTH!!! |
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| E2EK1EL |
Ottawa to reverse CRTC decision on Internet billing
Published 1 hour 23 minutes agoEmailPrint(3) Share1311Rss ArticleComments (3)Richard J. Brennan
Ottawa Bureau
OTTAWA—The CRTC’s controversial decision to substantially increase Internet costs to Canadians will be reversed, the Toronto Star has learned.
“The CRTC should be under no illusion — the Prime Minister and minister of Industry will reverse this decision unless the CRTC does it itself,” a senior Conservative government official said Wednesday.
“If they don’t reconsider we will reverse their decision.”
The promise to reverse the ruling comes as CRTC Chair Konrad von Finckenstein is scheduled to explain the decision Thursday before the House of Commons industry committee.
While the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission is an independent agency, its decision can be overturned by cabinet. The Star was told that could happen as early as next week.
The CRTC decision has sparked outrage across the country with Canadians rushing to sign petitions asking the Conservative government to reverse it. Industry Minister Tony Clement has received tens of thousands of emails requesting that it be struck down.
“Frankly, a decision like this is clearly not in the best interest of consumers,” the senior official said.
“This is a bread-and-butter issue.”
Consumers’ Association of Canada president Bruce Cran said it is nothing but corporate gouging by Canada’s monopolistic communications companies.
The CRTC’s ruling affects the wholesale business of the major Internet service providers, who sell capacity to smaller resellers. To encourage competitions, major telecom operators that have spent heavily on infrastructure are required to lease bandwidth on their networks to small providers.
Major providers charge customers extra if they download more than the monthly limits they set, typically between 20 and 60 gigabytes. Small providers, however, offer plans with 200 gigabyte ceilings and even unlimited use.
Although critics say the CRTC ruling will lead to lower download limits and higher rates, major Internet service providers say usage-based billing based is fair because it means heavy users pay more than those who just surf the web and use email.
As it invests billions in new broadband capacity, Bell says old pricing structures need to be brought in line with the huge amount of growth in Internet usage. Businesses and consumers are increasingly relying on the Internet to download videos, documents and even software. Rogers says its customers are using about 40 per cent more data each year.
John Reid, president of CATA Alliance, a group that advocates for innovation in Canada, said, “This has to be a decision that Canada makes — that it wants to be the best in the world in the provision of high-speed Internet.”
He added, however, that usage-based billing is not the answer.
“You don’t want to stifle the sort of richness that comes from using high-speed Internet,” says Reid.
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...et-billing?bn=1 |
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| jester |
| quote: | Originally posted by kamil
I'm not going to accept that kind of backpedaling.
What needs to happen is the government to allow foreign ISPs to come into the market and give REAL competition to Bell and Rogers.
Canada is in desperate need of new broadband technologies to drive prices down as bell and rogers continue their duopoly and profiteering.
How many of you would like to see WiMax come to Canada? I'd love to get that kind of functionality. Sure it may not be 'omg fast' but its more than plenty for many and I'm willing to make the sacrifice of speed for functionality. In Japan WiMax can hit up to 40mbits per second. That means actual download speeds of 5mbp/s. Up to 20mbits in Spain, 18mbits in Tajikistan and a whopping 100mbit and above speeds in New York.
Where the is Canada on that list?
Rogers up to 21mbps at a maximum of 5gb per month for $65/month and 5¢/MB extra.
What a joke, for THAT price it should be unlimited but since canadians are stupid and dont know any better because bell and rogers are capable of making us believe these are fair prices, this duopoly bull WILL NOT END.
Thoughts? |
To me WiMax is dead. Seeing with LTE just around the corner, it will overshadow WiMax.
Hopefully the government will force Bell to let TekSavvy / Colba use their ADSL2+ lines outside of city centres. I would love to access 24 Mbps was Unlimited ($35/month) but I need to live in the city. Quebecor/Videotron does have 120 Mbps but it will cost you $150/month is 200 GB cap. |
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| kamil |
| quote: | Originally posted by jester
To me WiMax is dead. Seeing with LTE just around the corner, it will overshadow WiMax.
Hopefully the government will force Bell to let TekSavvy / Colba use their ADSL2+ lines outside of city centres. I would love to access 24 Mbps was Unlimited ($35/month) but I need to live in the city. Quebecor/Videotron does have 120 Mbps but it will cost you $150/month is 200 GB cap. |
LTE is supposed to be like 4G without the radiation of WiMax and speeds of up to 1gb/s.
Correct me if im wrong. (im just doing research on alternatives from bell and rogers lines, they dont deserve anyones hard earned canadian dollar). |
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| GGM |
| quote: | Originally posted by kamil
LTE is supposed to be like 4G without the radiation of WiMax and speeds of up to 1gb/s.
Correct me if im wrong. (im just doing research on alternatives from bell and rogers lines, they dont deserve anyones hard earned canadian dollar). |
Post your research if you can when complete, will be helpful for those interested in switching.
I'd still encourage anyone who is on Bell/Rogers to drop them and switch to the smaller guys. Reasons:
-Even if you don't hit your bandwidth cap you can still rest easy knowing you never will.
-Their unlimited price plans are still cheaper than most capped Rogers/Bell plans.
-Uncomparable customer service (take Bell vs TekSavvy for example).
-It's making a statement that you don't stand for the full on wallet raping they love to give a justify.
Just my 2 cents... |
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| kamil |
| quote: | Originally posted by GGM
Post your research if you can when complete, will be helpful for those interested in switching.
I'd still encourage anyone who is on Bell/Rogers to drop them and switch to the smaller guys. Reasons:
-Even if you don't hit your bandwidth cap you can still rest easy knowing you never will.
-Their unlimited price plans are still cheaper than most capped Rogers/Bell plans.
-Uncomparable customer service (take Bell vs TekSavvy for example).
-It's making a statement that you don't stand for the full on wallet raping they love to give a justify.
Just my 2 cents... |
I'll post later on but ive got so much on my plate right now, its kind of nuts keeping up with all this.
I agree with a nationwide boycott of bell. its right on the money. Who knows, maybe if Teksavvy makes enough profits in the long run they can build their own infastructure using LTE and get off of bells lousy lines.
But thats the thing, what needs equal attention is Rogers and Bell's dominance. It might be looking bright for us now with the possible reversal, but thats not enough.
You take down the duopoly, and essentially you win the war, not just the UBB battle. THATS what we need to be protesting above all else.
Even if UBB is reversed, we still go back to paying high prices for internet. |
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| daves |
| all signs are pointing to LTE becoming this wireless generation's GSM to WiMax playing CDMA |
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| The Potter |
Nice one, Kamil!!! :D
In the future, with people's increasing reliance on it for basic needs, including education (think of all the people on distance-learning courses who are streaming lecture videos, such as myself), provision of online government resources (you always now seem to be told to look at websites and download forms), the encouragement of online banking, and more people working from home (which has the added benefits of reducing rush-hour traffic and company office costs), this was just an easy way for the big players to make steadily increasing profits for many years, without having to lift a finger to actually entice customers.
As a general point, let this be a lesson to all the naysayers who say that petitions and campaigns never work...kindly, STFU! ;) |
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| kamil |
| quote: | Originally posted by The Potter
Nice one, Kamil!!! :D
In the future, with people's increasing reliance on it for basic needs, including education (think of all the people on distance-learning courses who are streaming lecture videos, such as myself), provision of online government resources (you always now seem to be told to look at websites and download forms), the encouragement of online banking, and more people working from home (which has the added benefits of reducing rush-hour traffic and company office costs), this was just an easy way for the big players to make steadily increasing profits for many years, without having to lift a finger to actually entice customers.
As a general point, let this be a lesson to all the naysayers who say that petitions and campaigns never work...kindly, STFU! ;) |
Great points dude!
I think ideally what we need is to continue a very strong push and message to parliament that not only are we NOT going to tolerate UBB but also NOT tolerate the policy by CRTC to not allow foreign competitors.
If there was ever a time to take advantage of a situation for serious change, it would be RIGHT NOW. If we leave this and come a years time, people will have gone back to their passive selves and adjusted to the high prices from bell's and rogers' duopoly, price fixing and profiteering.
We'd be serious winners if we brought in some real ISPs that were willing to give bell and rogers competition.
Since Bell and Rogers owned news stations wont talk to us (rally organizers and probably steve anderson from openmedia) i think itd be a good idea to take this to a global stage and put added pressure on the government, humiliating it for its corruption withe big telecoms, profiteering and conflicts of interests of the current CRTC staff with its former employers.
We really need to capitalize on this situation. |
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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | Originally posted by kamil
Even if UBB is reversed, we still go back to paying high prices for internet. |
Acanac and Teksavvy give pretty good/fair prices in my opinion. |
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| The Potter |
| quote: | Originally posted by infinity HiGH
Acanac and Teksavvy give pretty good/fair prices in my opinion. |
I think Kamil is right; if you also take into account mobile phone costs, even with this reversal, we are still paying more then we would have to under a more competitive system. |
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