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So much for unlimited internet ! (pg. 34)
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| jester |
| The protest in Montreal tomorrow will be covered by CBC. I would love to see someone fly the Canadian flag upside down tomorrow. |
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| kamil |
| quote: | Originally posted by jester
The protest in Montreal tomorrow will be covered by CBC. I would love to see someone fly the Canadian flag upside down tomorrow. |
Sweet! I hope the montreal rally goes well and sparks some interest in this issue, i cant believe its not making bigger headlines. |
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| VDub |
After watching that video, I'd say that the 50 ppl in attendance number is being generous...
Where was your interview Kamil???
And it cracks me up that those two guys who were complaining commented that neither of them had cable...
So they want the same access that I have to programming but want to pay a third of what I do??
Do they not see that big cable/net providers recognize that ppl want to watch TV on the net and not use cable???
Do they really think that big cable isn't going to compensate for this loss???
Right now, I pay $114 for cable($82) and internet($32). If I decide to watch all of my TV online and cancel my cable, then I don't think its unreasonable that my internet bill goes up... |
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| VDub |
Look... Don't get me wrong..
I like getting a deal as much as the next guy...
But if some company wants to charge a price, and I want the product, I have to pay...
If the price is too steep, I don't get the product...
That's capitalism and that's the way we live... |
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| jester |
| quote: | Originally posted by VDub
Look... Don't get me wrong..
I like getting a deal as much as the next guy...
But if some company wants to charge a price, and I want the product, I have to pay...
If the price is too steep, I don't get the product...
That's capitalism and that's the way we live... |
True, but the thing about capitalism. Business want everything cheaper, so they can charge insane rates to the consumer. Execs need to pad their pockets.
As for Canada's monopoly / duopoly, its for sure not a free market. If it was a free market, the government would allow Vodafone and others to come into Canada and rape the out of Bell, Telus and Rogers or even buy them right up. |
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| Orko |
| quote: | | Originally posted by VDub After watching that video, I'd say that the 50 ppl in attendance number is being generous... Where was your interview Kamil??? And it cracks me up that those two guys who were complaining commented that neither of them had cable... So they want the same access that I have to programming but want to pay a third of what I do?? Do they not see that big cable/net providers recognize that ppl want to watch TV on the net and not use cable??? Do they really think that big cable isn't going to compensate for this loss??? Right now, I pay $114 for cable($82) and internet($32). If I decide to watch all of my TV online and cancel my cable, then I don't think its unreasonable that my internet bill goes up... |
| quote: | Originally posted by VDub
So they want the same access that I have to programming but want to pay a third of what I do??
Do they not see that big cable/net providers recognize that ppl want to watch TV on the net and not use cable???
Do they really think that big cable isn't going to compensate for this loss???
Right now, I pay $114 for cable($82) and internet($32). If I decide to watch all of my TV online and cancel my cable, then I don't think its unreasonable that my internet bill goes up... |
Just because one source of revenue is in decline due to lower demand, does not mean that we should have to unfairly subsidize it through another source of revenue.
The cable TV and satellite infrastructure has been a huge waste of money in the last 10 years. Set top boxes, and the systems that support it, are inefficient, and we are seeing that now. The Web Browser has easily replaced the set top box, and the internet has replaced cable transmition or satellite.
They could have been forward thinking and gone to content providers and said 'hey we think tv is going to go the same way as music, and we want to broadcast it to the internet'. But they didn't do that, they starting locking people down in contracts for TV, and shoring themselves up in their bunkers; they treat cable boxes like cell phones now.
Fact is, this is business, and revenue streams change. It is their responsibility to make more money by adding value, not simply jacking up rates to unfair levels. What they are doing is the definition of 'penalizing innovation'. They can only do this due to the unhealthy, and unique nature that is our telecom industry.
When have you ever seen technology get MORE expensive? Never in the history of computers has that happened. Manufacturers keep consistent price levels by adding more value as the cost of manufacturing drops. That is why the iPhone is a similar price every time, they just add more features to justify the similar price. I'm ok with that.
But, do not jack up the price of an existing service or product because you cannot make your finances work. |
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| VDub |
But they are making their finances work. By raising the price of one service when an older one is on the decline...
The thing is that there are new adopters who have already ditched cable for the net and they're the ones who's prices are going up. I look at it the opposite way. I'm a cable guy who will probably be eliminating cable in the future therefor seeing my costs go down...
Eventually, we'll meet somewhere in the middle...
That's just the way I see it... |
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| jester |
(Courtesy of the Financial Post) |
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| VDub |
See??
There's always somebody worse off than us...
Cup half full people!!!
And I'm surprised at the 31% video stat... |
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| daves |
| If USA can survive without any of the main companies requiring bandwidth caps... in a country with 350+ million people... how the hell does Canada's big boys get away saying that they need it due to "capacity issues"? |
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| Orko |
| quote: | Originally posted by VDub
But they are making their finances work. By raising the price of one service when an older one is on the decline...
The thing is that there are new adopters who have already ditched cable for the net and they're the ones who's prices are going up. I look at it the opposite way. I'm a cable guy who will probably be eliminating cable in the future therefor seeing my costs go down...
Eventually, we'll meet somewhere in the middle...
That's just the way I see it... |
That is a stupid and short sighted way to look at it. As an internet user you are being penalized for consuming something that does not even relate to the old video industry. Why should somebody who is downloading a game, be paying more because somebody else decided to cancel their cable subscription?
We are paying more for EVERYTHING on the internet because of these decisions. If they wanted to charge more for bandwidth that was dedicated to tv/movies, then your argument would make a bit more sense.
Researchers, people work from home, students, everybody is paying more to subsidize one industry. Doesn't make any sense at all.
I have said this before, and I will say this again. Canada, and specifically Ontario, wants to make big moves in the digital content creation industry. A lot of these people work from home. You are simply jacking up their operating expenses for no good reason. And considering, everything is moving to HD, the size of the files they have to transfer, are huge. |
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| UXC |
| quote: | Originally posted by VDub
See??
There's always somebody worse off than us...
Cup half full people!!!
And I'm surprised at the 31% video stat... |
Whats that saying? "70% of stats are false?"
That's why I wasn't too upset when I found no stats, these things are really hard to measure and quantize into meaningful numbers. |
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