Originally posted by Orko
See, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Wanna see someone who REALLY has no idea of what theyre talking about? Listen to Konrad Von Finckenstein explain why IPTV doesnt run via internet.
This is the guy thats the chairman of the CRTC. Pure incompetence.
ChemEnhanced
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Originally posted by Orko
sorry if my wording wasn't correct. My apologies o great one :p
ChemEnhanced
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Originally posted by Shaya007
Chem Camels are on sale in Egypt right now..2 for 1 deal, you should buy them now and use them as means of travel..they're OH so fast!!!!
v.s
:toothless
I'll give you the second one so we can have matching rides
Shaya007
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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
I'll give you the second one so we can have matching rides
thanks man,but I refuse the means of transportation. I can just walk it..
GGM
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Bell's internet usage tracker may overstate the amount of bandwidth its customers use, the company acknowledged this week on the website where people log in to view their usage data.
Most customers are billed based on their usage.
Bell has "identified an issue that may cause internet usage shown on this site to be overstated in some cases," the company said in a message posted to the website.
"In order to ensure we provide reliable information to all our clients, the usage tracker will be unavailable while we resolve the issue. We apologize for the inconvenience."
The problem affects fewer than 0.1 per cent of users and has been traced to software supplied to an external vendor, Bell told CBC News in an email.
The company added that the vendor has provided a fix, and Bell expects the site to be back online "certainly before the end of the week."
In the meantime, it has removed all usage charges for those affected.
Bell and other large internet service providers charge customers based on the maximum amount of bandwidth they are allowed to use each month as they perform activities such as streaming movies and music, talking over Skype, playing online games and downloading and uploading files.
Customers can choose different price plans based on the size of their usage caps. Bell says this ensures all users pay their fair share, and light internet users aren't unfairly subsidizing heavy users.
Overage charges up to $2.50 a gigabyte
If users go over their bandwidth cap, they face "overage" charges of up to $2.50 per gigabyte.
Canada's internet regulator, the CRTC, announced Tuesday that it is reviewing its decision that would effectively force many smaller ISPs to charge customers based on the same usage caps.
Many of those smaller ISPs rent network access from Bell to create retail internet packages for their own customers.
The CRTC's ruling that Bell could charge those ISPs — its wholesale customers — based on the same usage-based caps it charges its retail customers would mean those ISPs would have to lower their usage caps and would no longer be able to offer unlimited internet access.
The issue caused a huge public outcry, prompting Industry Minister Tony Clement to warn the CRTC he would overturn its decision if it did not do so voluntarily.
Data tracker gives different numbers
Jerry Shulak of Côte Saint-Luc, Que., says he contacted Bell after noticing a few weeks ago that his data usage "seemed to be inflated over what I was actually using."
Shulak called Bell customer service and was told the tracker was "100 per cent accurate," he said in an email to CBC News.
Shulak, who was skeptical, installed his own data usage tracker and found that over two weeks, Bell's numbers were consistently 50 to 200 per cent higher. He noted that he has only one computer in his home and no wireless access.
Michael Geist, a University of Ottawa law professor who holds a Canada research chair in internet and e-commerce law, said in a blog post Wednesday that he believes the federal commissioner for complaints for telecommunications services may need to get involved in the issue.
If the CRTC wont step up to the plate. We the Canadian people should find a way to put together a class action lawsuit against Bell and Rogers. Also go after the government for its out dated laws.
ChemEnhanced
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Originally posted by Shaya007
thanks man,but I refuse the means of transportation. I can just walk it..
but think about it...we would be the coolest people ever...pulling up to guv on our twin camels.
patpicos
infinity HiGH
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Originally posted by devnull
lol jokes
ps. you know that quote of yours is made up right?
Orko
A very good summary of the new wholesale internet rules.
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Door opened to Internet price competition in Canada
Last week, the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission released its much-anticipated usage based billing (UBB) decision. While the ruling only focused on the use of data caps (or UBB) between Internet providers, the issue garnered national attention with more than 500,000 Canadians signing a petition against Internet data caps and the government providing clear signals that it would overrule the Commission if it maintained its support for the practice.
The resulting decision seemed to cause considerable confusion as some headlines trumpeted a "Canadian compromise," while others insisted that the CRTC had renewed support for UBB. Those headlines were wrong. The decision does not support UBB at the wholesale level (the retail market is another story) and the CRTC did not strike a compromise.
Rather, it sided with the independent Internet providers by developing the framework the independents had long claimed was absent - one based on the freedom to compete.
For many years, Canada has maintained policies theoretically designed to foster an independent ISP market. Those policies required the large Internet providers such as Bell and Rogers to make part of their network available to independent competitors. Since the large providers were not supportive of increased competition, the CRTC established mandatory rules on access, pricing, and speed matching.
Yet despite years of tinkering with the rules, the independents only garnered a tiny percentage of the marketplace (about six per cent).
The UBB issue illustrates why the independent providers have struggled since the original proposal would have allowed Bell to charge independent ISPs based on the amount of data used.
While that sounds reasonable, the cost of running a network has little to do with the amount of data consumed. Rather, it is linked to the capacity of the network - the fatter the pipe, the greater the cost, irrespective of how much data is actually consumed.
Independent providers rebelled against the UBB plans when they realized it would effectively remove their ability to differentiate their services from the large providers. If large providers could charge based on consumption, they could render popular unlimited data plans prohibitively expensive and squeeze the independents out of the market.
The new CRTC approach is based chiefly on opening the door to real competition by granting the independent providers the freedom to differentiate their pricing and services.
First, it adopts a capacity-based model for pricing between ISPs, not the volume or consumption models preferred by the large providers. Under the new system, independent ISPs will pay a set access fee for each customer and purchase whatever capacity they think they need. For example, the CRTC set the monthly access fee for an Internet provider using Bell's network at approximately $14 for a customer with speeds of up to 5 Mbps and approximately $25 for speeds up to 25 Mbps.
Once the Internet provider has paid those costs, it can offer differing speeds, new pricing models, and whatever service innovations they see fit. This is a major change that not only revamps pricing, but also effectively does away with an earlier speed matching decision that limited the independent ISPs to only offering speeds offered by the incumbents.
Second, the prices for capacity are based on actual costs (plus a reasonable profit), not retail pricing in the market. By sticking to actual costs, the CRTC ensures that independent costs do not swing wildly with the retail market pricing. While there is considerable concern about the actual costs themselves (there is a lack of transparency about the specific numbers and fears that prices could increase significantly), the model is designed to offer independent ISPs greater flexibility.
Third, the commission has set mandatory deadlines for cable companies to make their networks more readily available for independent providers. For the first time, this offers the promise of competition between large providers to attract the wholesale business as some independent ISPs may abandon Bell in favour of better pricing and speeds with cable.
The CRTC decision won't change Internet competition overnight - the overwhelming majority of Canadians are still with the large providers - but, subject to getting the numbers right, it removes many competitive barriers by providing independent ISPs with their own declaration of independence.
Thank you Michael Geist for another well written article explaining these complex issues.
jchung52
Sweet. Moving into a new apartment and was thinking of canning rogers internet and moving to teksavvy then tieing tv with the gf's roger's plan so she can get some "savings."
CAKE
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Originally posted by jester
If the CRTC wont step up to the plate. We the Canadian people should find a way to put together a class action lawsuit against Bell and Rogers. Also go after the government for its out dated laws.
and then BEll/Rogers will up the rates of how much they charge to rent their lines to these unlimited providers, and we'll see how true they are to their clinets then. Its not cheap to lay fiberoptic cable across canada.
