I used to work at an ISP, and know how peering works, and so I really don't have a big problem with usage based billing. If you are using the internet, and a lot of traffic it is fair to pay for that traffic.
What is really rotten about about internet is limiting certain types of traffic. Rogers should not be able to limit my FTP traffic, because they want. And, I should not have to pay extra to get to one site, versus another. If I download 1gig from one site, it should cost the same as 1gig from another site.
The argument as been compared to our regulated landline telephone service, which I'm not sure is a direct comparison. Telecom providers are regulated to allow us to have unlimited local calls, which means we can use 100% of our service 100% of the time. Telephone service doesn't have a changing speed, or different types of traffic. Plus 'peering' in the telephone didn't matter, because if it was a local call, it was most likely going to stay on one carrier's network. This is not the case with internet traffic.
With the caps being imposed, an example is that we can use 100% of our internet, for 5hours or 0.69% of the time. They are not saying you cannot use anymore, but merely that you have to pay more to use beyond what you agreed to pay for. So you can use it 100% of the time, you will just pay out of the ass for it.
If they really want to start usage based billing, then any traffic going from a bell network, to a bell network should be free, because they do not pay for any peering. This would be an administrative nightmare, more than it already is, but it would be more fair than what they want. Or better yet, we should only pay for traffic, when an ISP does not have a peering agreement with another ISP.
But that concept is so far removed from what anybody knows about the internet, that it would never happen. You certainly cannot expect a bunch of old fcuks, who cannot even send an email, to know about network infrastructure, even though it is their job.
UXC
The guy who invented the internet is really sad. Forget his name.
Brennen
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Originally posted by UXC
The guy who invented the internet is really sad. Forget his name.
Al Gore
Orko
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Originally posted by Orko
I used to work at an ISP, and know how peering works, and so I really don't have a big problem with usage based billing. ....
One note, I should add:
usage based billing for the internet is hard on the consumer, because you cannot budget your resources. You have no idea how much data pases between you and youtube. When you make a long distance phone call, you know that you will be charged for 5 minutes @ $0.50/minute, equals $2.50 on your bill.
If a site changes how it displays web pages, or what it serves up, then a user will not know how much more data is being used.
yankeeBaby
RE: so much for umlimited internet......
Thats what Egypt said! :wtf:
Nick Cenik
I don't understand:
My household uses Rogers Hi-Speed internet. We pay a fixed amount of money for 95gb of bandwidth per month. If our monthly bandwidth usage exceeds 95gb we are penalized (I believe) on a per gb basis.
How does this news affect me?
infinity HiGH
What's funny is how backwards everything in Canada is becoming.
Poland used to have 'per-usage-billing' until they realized it's not very competitive and beneficial to the consumer. So they followed what the rest of the developed world was doing. Now Canada is going in the other direction. Awesome!
jester
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Originally posted by infinity HiGH
What's funny is how backwards everything in Canada is becoming.
Poland used to have 'per-usage-billing' until they realized it's not very competitive and beneficial to the consumer. So they followed what the rest of the developed world was doing. Now Canada is going in the other direction. Awesome!
Canada has always been backwards. Yet the backward-ways of Canadians sometimes pays off "i.e regulating the banking system" ;)
GGM
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Originally posted by Nick Cenik
I don't understand:
My household uses Rogers Hi-Speed internet. We pay a fixed amount of money for 95gb of bandwidth per month. If our monthly bandwidth usage exceeds 95gb we are penalized (I believe) on a per gb basis.
How does this news affect me?
Right now it only affects people on the smaller guy ISPs that sell unlimtied bandwidth (Primus, techsavvy, web3 to name a few). So if you have 95gb with Rogers and dont go over, you remain unaffected for NOW. Same attitude as the majority of users and thus why nothing will happen.
Here's how it will affect you in the future. Right now the big guys have been forced to make their bandwidth caps rather high, and overage costs and plan prices low to prevent a mass exodus of customers switching to the unlimited smaller guys. So you can count on the fact reduced competition = higher prices as it always has without exception. When your 95gb becomes 60gb and then 40gb and then... and you get overages (which will cost more per gb by then) it will become a very big problem for you. Price plans will also increase now that they don't have to compete, so that will be an additional problem for you.
Furthermore they've already been playing for quite awhile with speeds in regards to what data is being transferred. No one has put an end to that and it's already common place. You add in the fact that these bandwidth caps are now universal thanks to CRTC, it gives ISPs a LOT of pull in how they can charge you for what and where they can set limits on your internet use.
And even furthermore the "cabilization" of the internet has already been put in place in some respects. This is where you are restricted on what you can view as in all those videos and streaming that are blocked because you're not in the States etc. Industry leaders in both the States and Canada have openly said this is where they want to take the internet. To a setup where you have internet packages that allow you to view certain things. Think of websites and different uses of data as "premium channels". So basic might include all the common sites like wikipedia, facebook, google, youtube etc. Next package gets you access to streaming websites for movies/shows. Next package gets you access to peer to peer downloading like torrents and limewire all at extra costs of course. This isn't conspiracy, it's openly admitted goals of the people who got the CRTC to make this recent decision. And this change is a huge a clear step in that direction.
So right now we have a majority of users that aren't concerned. They will be once their freedoms are stripped, wallets are being raped etc. But by then it will be too late and we'll just have another cable tv and cell phone style bill coming out of our bank accounts.
kamil
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Originally posted by GGM
So right now we have a majority of users that aren't concerned. They will be once their freedoms are stripped, wallets are being raped etc. But by then it will be too late and we'll just have another cable tv and cell phone style bill coming out of our bank accounts.
Which is why canadians need to stop being passive ing pussies. We need to get on this RIGHT NOW.
Whos ing country is this anyway, OURS OR BELLS???
UXC
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Originally posted by Brennen
Al Gore
hes super pissed
but this guy is like mad for some reason tho..
Prometheus Xex
So I just got bitch slapped and cockpunched by my ISP ...
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Dear Francis Ament,
You may have already heard of the new ruling recently approved by the CRTC (Canadian Radio-Television and Telecommunications Commission). On January 25, 2010 the CRTC has approved Bell Canada's request for implementation of UBB (Usage Base Billing). All wholesalers of Bell Canada's broadband service will be affected.
What this means is beginning on March 1st/2011 your High Speed Internet service will be changing. This new decision is affecting all
third party providers, not only Velcom. Please keep in mind we did not make this decision ourselves, it was forced upon us. There is much controversy on this dilemma.
This e-mail is serving as our 30 day notice that beginning on March 1st, 2011 your services with Velcom will be changing.
Residential Lite Service
2GB Cap
$26.95/Monthly
Anything above your allotted cap will be billed at $2.18/GB to a maximum of $60.00. Anything above 300GB will be billed at $0.90/GB.
Residential 5.0MB Service
25GB Cap
$29.95/Monthly (If you are on a Dry Loop, this remains unchanged)
Anything above your allotted cap will be billed at $1.75/GB to a maximum of $60.00. Anything above 300GB will be billed at $0.90/GB.
Please take a look at additional option to upgrade your plan to allow additional data transfer:
You have the ability to purchase insurance blocks. Each block allows you 40GB of transfer for $5.00 per month. Up to a maximum of 3 blocks per month. Unused blocks from current months do not move over to following months.
Your usage for December/2010 was 182.73GB ...
For sakes. My uploads of videos have increased to 2-3GB, never mind I just got Nexflix too. Running the station and downloading DJ sets that are sent. Time to shop !!!
