I have said this before, and I will say this again. Canada, and specifically Ontario, wants to make big moves in the digital content creation industry. A lot of these people work from home. You are simply jacking up their operating expenses for no good reason. And considering, everything is moving to HD, the size of the files they have to transfer, are huge.
The funny thing about HD (which is an old resolution standard as far as im concerned, my Computer Monitor was HD like 8 years ago) is that Japan is already working hard on getting the new standard ready. Just shows how far back we are in general already, not compared to what we are able to do but just relatively to what others are doing.
You know about ULTRA HD or 4k or whatever, its said to be the same size as IMAX
Also my understanding is that most households around here are getting 1080i cable, the majority are simply not getting 1080p through their lines :S
infinity HiGH
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Originally posted by UXC
The funny thing about HD (which is an old resolution standard as far as im concerned, my Computer Monitor was HD like 8 years ago) is that Japan is already working hard on getting the new standard ready. Just shows how far back we are in general already, not compared to what we are able to do but just relatively to what others are doing.
You know about ULTRA HD or 4k or whatever, its said to be the same size as IMAX
Also my understanding is that most households around here are getting 1080i cable, the majority are simply not getting 1080p through their lines :S
heavily compressed 1080i is what everyone is getting
GGM
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Originally posted by VDub
Look... Don't get me wrong..
I like getting a deal as much as the next guy...
But if some company wants to charge a price, and I want the product, I have to pay...
If the price is too steep, I don't get the product...
That's capitalism and that's the way we live...
Are you serious? Dude the telecom duopoly, CRTC's existence and the UBB issue are the exact opposite of capitalism. That statement couldn't be more wrong if you tried.
Capitalism would be:
-No CRTC
-Foreign telecom COs say "hey, they're raping Canadians, we could go in, set up infrastructure, charge them way less and still make a profit." so thats exactly what they do. We then end up with 4 or 5 companies. These companies would always be trying to lower their costs, build better/faster infrastructure, offer consumers better and cheaper plans to attract them away. True competition in other words.
-IF the price is too steep, speed is too slow, service too ty etc. then you go to one of the other 5 companies which will provide you with a better option.
What you're saying is like "oh I don't want to spend the money on a new Mercedes so I won't have a car at all". No. The car market is quite competitive here and you have a plethora of other options. That's capitalism. The CRTC is basically saying all companies need to charge the same price and offer the same services as Bell and soon Rogers. That is the opposite of capitalism my friend...
ChemEnhanced
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Originally posted by kamil
Todays protest!!!
w00t!
that's not a protest....its a bunch of WOW players holding signs
ChemEnhanced
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Originally posted by Orko
Notice how the two guys telling you to take it up the ass and like it, are the two guys that work in insurance?
We gave viable ways of protesting it. We haven't once suggest you just sit there with an internet stick up your ass and enjoy it.
ChemEnhanced
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Originally posted by infinity HiGH
The fact that you can't see outside your little bubble is whats idiotic. The suggestion that I can't get the information that I need (or want) without the internet is completely realistic. I think you just can't comprehend the scope of the internet. For every 2 newspapers that I generally read, there's maybe 10 websites that have the same coverage but from a different angle, and getting the story from multiple perspectives is pretty important if you want to understand the situation. There's also websites out there dedicated to subjects that you'd be hard pressed to find coverage on in newspapers, or magazines.
There's loads of other examples out there too, some mentioned in this thread.
and as I'm sure you know...there is a difference between need and want. You don't need home internet to get any of the information you want.
GGM
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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
We gave viable ways of protesting it. We haven't once suggest you just sit there with an internet stick up your ass and enjoy it.
Not sure if it's what you're talking about but giving up internet because it costs too much isn't viable.
In any other balanced market you have other options to choose from if you don't like one of them. If CRTC follows through with this then there's zero other options. There's 2 companies imposing bandwidth restrictions and CRTC is #1 saying the smaller ones have to do the same and more importantly #2 saying foreign companies can't come in and open up shop. In essence, the CRTC is taking away our ability to choose from an alternative and that is what most people are upset with.
And ya I agree on the WOW player comment about the rally. I could get more people together with a "Free Crack This Way" sign in Regent Park. Probly doesn't help that the gov said they'd overturn the CRTC's decision a couple days before it took place though...
kamil
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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
and as I'm sure you know...there is a difference between need and want. You don't need home internet to get any of the information you want.
You voted Conservative, didnt you?
Check out the video from our rally and skip to 8:30 and listen to Liberal Party Member of Parliament Dan McTeague confirm what the Conservative party did.
To say the internet isnt necessary for information is such an ignorant statement. Virtually everything is moving towards internet, and this is probably good because the major news networks are being gobbled up by Bell and Rogers, so your source of information is going to be very Pro-Bell and Pro-Rogers. 25gb will soon be peanutes with everythiing moving to high definition (720p) and Full HD (1080p). With that being the reality in the inevitable near future, 25gb is NOTHING, especially as speeds increase past 100mbit connection on fibre. Once we reach those speeds you'll fill your cap in a matter of hours or less.
Do you know how backwards your logic is?
Google and other tech companies are already experimenting with 1gb/s internet speeds. There was a recent small home test done transferring information over Fibre at a speed of 500gb/s. Do you honestly think 25gb a month and $2/gb is justified, or are you just an ignorant dumbass with an opinion?
ChemEnhanced
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Originally posted by kamil
You voted Conservative, didnt you?
Check out the video from our rally and skip to 8:30 and listen to Liberal Party Member of Parliament Dan McTeague confirm what the Conservative party did.
To say the internet isnt necessary for information is such an ignorant statement. Virtually everything is moving towards internet, and this is probably good because the major news networks are being gobbled up by Bell and Rogers, so your source of information is going to be very Pro-Bell and Pro-Rogers. 25gb will soon be peanutes with everythiing moving to high definition (720p) and Full HD (1080p). With that being the reality in the inevitable near future, 25gb is NOTHING, especially as speeds increase past 100mbit connection on fibre. Once we reach those speeds you'll fill your cap in a matter of hours or less.
Do you know how backwards your logic is?
Google and other tech companies are already experimenting with 1gb/s internet speeds. There was a recent small home test done transferring information over Fibre at a speed of 500gb/s. Do you honestly think 25gb a month and $2/gb is justified, or are you just an ignorant dumbass with an opinion?
Considering I'm a member of the liberal party they would be pretty pissed that I voted conservative.
I never suggested nor do I think we should just move away from the internet. All I said was you don't need home internet service to get the information you need.....it is a luxury item. People here keep suggesting they couldn't live without home internet service which is complete crap.
Orko
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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
Considering I'm a member of the liberal party they would be pretty pissed that I voted conservative.
I never suggested nor do I think we should just move away from the internet. All I said was you don't need home internet service to get the information you need.....it is a luxury item. People here keep suggesting they couldn't live without home internet service which is complete crap.
Really a luxury item?
If you want information from the government, how do you get it? If you want information from a college or university, how do you get it? In a lot of cases, information is ONLY available on the internet, and not available through any other means.
If you want to compare stock prices for a company, over the last two years, how do you do it? If you want to read a review of a camera, that just came out, where do you go?
VDub
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Originally posted by Orko
Really a luxury item?
If you want information from the government, how do you get it? If you want information from a college or university, how do you get it? In a lot of cases, information is ONLY available on the internet, and not available through any other means.
If you want to compare stock prices for a company, over the last two years, how do you do it? If you want to read a review of a camera, that just came out, where do you go?
C'mon now...
Of course the net makes all that stuff easier. Even effortless almost...
But all of that stuff is not that difficult to do by other means...
I mean, the world did cope before 1990 you know...
Stilez
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Originally posted by VDub
C'mon now...
Of course the net makes all that stuff easier. Even effortless almost...
But all of that stuff is not that difficult to do by other means...
I mean, the world did cope before 1990 you know...
This argument of yours, Chem & Moral is going in circles & pointless. Who cares about what we can 'live without' or what was in place before. The fact is that this technology is here NOW & we all use it (eg. you're all using it right now to argue your senseless point on TA). We can prob do without TV, cars, gas, and pretty much everything else that has been invented in the past 100 years. That's NOT the point. The point is moving forward & looking into the future, and anything that will hinder or prevent/stunt growth & more importantly, fair growth, for future technology, shouldn't be allowed.
Anyone who says that the web/net isn't or won't be a major moving force or part of the future is not only an ignoramus, but cannot be taken seriously & loses all credibility in this discussion.
I'm not totally against charging more for bandwidth abusers/hogs, but at the same time, I am strongly against having in place a 'blanket' practice/charge that penalizes ALL web users who actually make use of this amazing technology that we have available to us.
