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Best idea ever: Muslim gay bar possibly opening next to Ground Zero mosque (pg. 33)
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
You're just being an idiot, Kevin.
The Japanese attacked us. The Nazi's killed Jews and others. America bombed Japan.
Not ALL Muslims attacked us. Just a small pissed off group of extremists living in the Middle East. |
this (i was meaning to quote that earlier) |
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| WhooCares |
| quote: | | OBAMA: Let me be clear: as a citizen, and as President, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country. That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances. This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakeable. The principle that people of all faiths are welcome in this country, and will not be treated differently by their government, is essential to who we are. The writ of our Founders must endure. |
/checkmate |
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| idoru |
| In other words, "Kevin, sit down and shut the up." |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by idoru
In other words, "Kevin, sit down and shut the up." |
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| Moongoose |
| Oh man, his defence of this will give right wing conservative hacks ammo for months to come. I can alredy har the all the new "Obama is a secret muslim!" cries all over faux news...and the tea party...and the among the crazy christians who will be offended that the dirty muslims have the same rights as them... |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by WhooCares
/checkmate |
You seem to think Kevin respects his president. He doesn't. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moongoose
Oh man, his defence of this will give right wing conservative hacks ammo for months to come. I can alredy har the all the new "Obama is a secret muslim!" cries all over faux news...and the tea party...and the among the crazy christians who will be offended that the dirty muslims have the same rights as them... |
There's something funny about a group that claims they live in a free country but don't espouse the idea of freedom for everyone in the said country :p |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
some people just don't get it. |
Out Of Argument Error.
If some nutcase like Travis Bickle shot up somewhere claiming to be acting under the word of God, and then someone built a church next door, would anyone complain? Of course they ing wouldn't. It wouldn't even enter the equation Members of a Christian church are not responsible for the sociopathic behaviour of another Christian.
Al Qaeda is a terrorist organisation, not the church of Islam. There is a strong argument made by many Muslims that suicide bombers are actually acting against the word of the Koran. As ever with religion, it's a lot of ambiguous text and millions of people with different interpretations of it. Until you demonstrate the slightest bit of proof that the builders of this mosque share Al Qaeda's extremist Sunni views on Jihad, you don't have the slightest ing leg to stand on.
Oh, and "70% of Americans oppose the mosque" is an appeal to popularity. Go back to playing with your cats, you clown. |
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| epicaricacy |
| i'm going to fly to north carolina with my cats and learn him some ing respektz...g style innit. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
There's something funny about a group that claims they live in a free country but don't espouse the idea of freedom for everyone in the said country :p |
I love how all you liberals (mostly the American ones) rabidly support pieces of the Constitution when it's convenient for them, then speak out the other side of their mouth about how it's a living breathing document that needs to change as times change. What you just said, Lira, is where the argument keeps getting stuck. This is not what the argument is about- freedom of Religion. It's about the LOCATION. They know they're stirring up a tornado by doing this... they claim they're trying to build bridges and should have their sensibilities respected. But they refuse to acknowledge the sensibilities of a vast majority of American opposition to it while the wounds of 9/11 are still fresh. They refuse to have it build anywhere else while claiming to be open to community outreach. You can't force bridge building on people.
AND- to those who want to keep justifying your position by talking about the legalities and zoning laws... the Mosque defies the zoning laws; it is currently illegal to build any new religious based structure that is taller than the World Trade Center Memorial. This is why the St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church that was destroyed on 9/11 is having problems being put up- because of the height of its dome. The 13 story Mosque will tower over the WTC Memorial, but thats ok... and I don't hear Obama and mayor Bloomberg going to bat for the Greek Orthodox church. Interesting.
| quote: | Originally posted by ziptnf
Kevin, what's so wrong with letting a group of muslims who probably aren't ridiculous extremists practice their religion in the downtown area of New York City? |
Well, uhhh... let me think about that. How about you ask that question to the families of the murdered people that were working that morning at the WTC.
| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
If your going to pick on religion, pick on all of them. They are all equally as stupid as eachother. |
I do. I'm not a fan of religion at all... any of them.
Oh snap! :rolleyes: Translation: "My Dear Leader speaketh, therefore I must agree". He also said he did not support gay marriage- do you agree with him there too?
| quote: | Originally posted by Moongoose
Oh man, his defence of this will give right wing conservative hacks ammo for months to come. I can alredy har the all the new "Obama is a secret muslim!" cries all over faux news...and the tea party...and the among the crazy christians who will be offended that the dirty muslims have the same rights as them... |
It's as if Obama wants to have his party crushed at the pols in November. And party affiliation doesn't matter right now, brosef. Independants, Democrats, and Republicans all individually do not support it's construction by easy majorities. Obama speaketh... therefore it is truth. Right. |
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| WhooCares |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
He also said he did not support gay marriage- do you agree with him there too?
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BUT he supports civil unions.....did you forget to add that?
plus you call us 'liberals' like if its a bad thing lol..stop listening to rush n becky dude... |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
If some nutcase like Travis Bickle shot up somewhere claiming to be acting under the word of God, and then someone built a church next door, would anyone complain? Of course they ing wouldn't. It wouldn't even enter the equation Members of a Christian church are not responsible for the sociopathic behaviour of another Christian. |
Ever hear of the "Ground Zero Cross"? Of course not- you just swallow what the left wing funnels into your pie hole. The cross was found in what was left after 9/11 and stood at the site until it was moved to nearby St. Peter's Church in October 2006, to clear the way for renovations. Several organizations have protested since 2002 against its planned incorporation in the WTC Memorial, and even filed lawsuits. I don't see you or any of the morally superior leftists in the White House standing up with equal vigor for this... but then again this is the same White House that ordered the covering up of Christian religious symbols when Obama spoke at Georgetown University last year.
| quote: | | Until you demonstrate the slightest bit of proof that the builders of this mosque share Al Qaeda's extremist Sunni views on Jihad, you don't have the slightest ing leg to stand on. |
There is "extrimist" jihad and "stealth" jihad. The latter of which creeps in small increments until before you know it, Shaira is in your face. You want "the slightest bit of proof"?
1) March 24, 2010, Ground Zero Mozque Imam Abdul Rauf was interviewed by Cairo University's media department. The title of the article (in Arabic): "The Most Prominent Imam in New York: 'I Do Not Believe in Religious Dialogue.'"
2) Ground Zero Imam Attended the Hizb-ut Tahrir Conference in 2007. Who is this organization? They are an Islamic terrorist organization that's been banned in Germany, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Tunisia, Turkey, Kazakhstan, and Saudi Arabia. What was the conference about? How to establish a global caliphate. They are aligned with Hamas, which is why the Ground Zero Imam refused to acknowledge Hamas as a terrorist organization on Aaron Klein's radio show on June 20, 2010. This organization also produced Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Abu Musab Zarqawi. You probably heard of them.
3) Wants Sharia implemented in the U.S.: May 26, 2010: Abdul Rauf appeared on the popular Islamic website Hadiyul-Islam (the same website where, ironically, a fatwa was simultaneously being issued forbidding a Muslim to sell land to a Christian, because the Christian wanted to build a church on it)... he was asked about his views on Sharia and the Islamic state. His reply: | quote: | | Throughout my discussions with contemporary Muslim theologians, it is clear an Islamic state can be established in more than just a single form or mold. It can be established through a kingdom or a democracy. The important issue is to establish the general fundamentals of Sharia that are required to govern. It is known that there are sets of standards that are accepted by Muslim scholars to organize the relationships between government and the governed. Current governments are unjust and do not follow Islamic laws. |
Remember- Sharia is a political system, not simply religion.
4) The name of Imam Rauf's book in English printed in the West: "What's Right With Islam: A New Vision For Muslims and the West."
The book's name in Arabic, previously printed in Muslim ruled Malaysia where he spent most of his time before NY: A Call To Prayer From the World Trade Center Rubble: Islamic Dawa in the Heart of America Post-9/11.
5) The Imam's "Cordoba" website just removed a photograph of Iranian Mohammad Javad Larijani, secretary-general of the High Council for Human Rights in Iran, meeting with Imam Rauf at an event in Malaysia in 2008. Larijani told the Council: "Torture is one thing and punishment is another thing. This is a conceptual dispute. Some forms of these punishments should not be considered torture according to our law." By which he meant flogging, amputation, stoning, and the criminalization of homosexuality, which are all part of Iranian legal standards.
Why did they remove that picture? Hmmm. The Iranian connection goes much deeper too. You can read it here: http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/an-ira...nd-zero-mosque/
THIS IS ALL NOTHING... MOVE ALONG... NOTHING TO SEE HERE... THE MAN JUST WANTS TO BUILD BRIDGES :rolleyes: |
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