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Best idea ever: Muslim gay bar possibly opening next to Ground Zero mosque (pg. 59)
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| I like Serial Killer. eh's a cool guy and isn't afraid to trull libs all the live long day. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Serial Killer
yeah, good one.....
keep on trucking.....i'm sure we'll need people like you to smile and ask if you'd like a paper or plastic bag.
keep drinking that moonshine...loser :haha: |
Another cool headed reply....
....which ultimately leads nowhere....
....and noticing ellipses-loaded allusions to extemporaneous thought....
....mind games with you is like ice-curling on a ping-pong table. |
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| Dj Dizzy |
i'm in support of our freedoms, freedom of religion. but if a cult attacked us, would we let them build one of their cult facilities near the attack site?
islam is nothing more than a huge, giant cult. there are good muslims because they follow a watered-down version of islam and are good people. not all muslims are to blame for this but their religion was born of violence and war. their mohammad was a murderer, pedophile, thief, and a rapist. examples of all of that is in the quran. how can you follow a religion that preaches peace to fellow muslims but such violence to others. islam breeds conflict because martyrdom is the only sure-fire way into heaven, so if you want a guarantee to get into heaven you must be a martyr for the islam faith. to be a martyr you must have conflict and i'd imagine most religious people would want to get the guarantee of heaven if given the chance. therefore the fundamentals of islam are flawed, downright evil in its mohammad-preached form. mohammad, from what i've read, is a disgusting man. muslims cannot question his word, the quran, because that is slander and is the only unforgivable sin. so certainly they don't want to run the risk right?
islam is not a religion of peace. there are peaceful muslims but only because they don't take every word of the quran literally and because they are just good people. prophet mohammad... my ass |
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| leph555 |
| all of the religions are a ing cult |
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| Serial Killer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
You're so cool I wish I could be that ing cool. And make that much money!
Maybe one day... |
may be one of these days.... remember stay in school, don't do drugs.. |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Nah Bra... that's not enough for the Quebecois... you're not of pure French Canadian origin; subsequently, you're not one of them, by their own standards. |
way late, but that is ridiculous... stop reading the National Post/Gauzette and get out a little.:gsmile: |
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| ziptnf |
| quote: | Originally posted by leph555
all of the religions are a ing cult |
This. Are you people all ing retarded? What is the difference between building a christian church and a mosque near ground zero? NOTHING! ING NOTHING! If you all pulled your heads out of your collective asses, you would realize that Muslims in general are no more radical (in fact, in many cases, most are less radical) than christians.
Here's something to shut all you Republicans up.
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Mosques already near World Trade Center site
Muslims allowed to pray less than 80 feet from Pentagon's 9/11 memorial
WASHINGTON — A New York imam and his proposed mosque near ground zero are being demonized by political candidates — mostly Republicans — despite the fact that Islam is already very much a part of the World Trade Center neighborhood. And that Muslims pray inside the Pentagon, too, less than 80 feet from where terrorists attacked.
And that the imam who's being branded an extremist has been valued by both Republican and Democratic administrations as a moderate face of the faith.
Even so, the project stirs complicated emotions, and Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf is a complex figure who defies easy categorization in the American Muslim world.
He's devoted much of his career to working closely with Christians, Jews and secular leaders to advance interfaith understanding. He's scolded his own religion for being in some ways in the "Dark Ages." Yet he's also accused the U.S. of spilling more innocent blood than al-Qaida, the terrorist network that turned the World Trade Center, part of the Pentagon and four hijacked airplanes to apocalyptic rubble.
Many Republicans and some Democrats say the proposed $100 million Islamic cultural center and mosque should be built elsewhere, where there is no possible association with New York's ground zero.
Story: 'No regrets' on mosque issue, Obama says
Far more than a local zoning issue, the matter has seized congressional campaigns, put President Barack Obama and his party on the spot — he says Muslims have the right to build the mosque — divided families of the Sept. 11, 2001, victims, caught the attention of Muslims abroad and threatened to blur distinctions between mainstream Islam in the U.S. and its radical elements.
Pentagon chapel hosts Muslims
The Pentagon chapel is part of a memorial to the 184 people killed in 2001 when hijacked American Airlines Flight 77 flew into the west side of the Pentagon and plowed through three of the building's five office rings.
As part of its massive renovation, the Pentagon opened the nondenominational chapel in November 2002. The chapel hosts a daily prayer group and weekly worship service for Muslims and provides similar services for Jews, Hindus, Mormons, Protestants, Roman Catholics and Episcopalians.
Pentagon officials say that no one in the military or the families of the victims of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks has ever protested.
They describe the 80-seat chapel as a peaceful place where some 300 to 400 Pentagon employees come to pray each week.
Vote: OK to build a mosque two blocks from ground zero?
The goal of the Pentagon chaplain office, which runs the chapel, is to "provide assistance and support for the religious, spiritual and morale needs of all service members and employees," said Army spokesman George Wright.
Perhaps one reason the Pentagon chapel has failed to attract much attention is that it looks more like a conference room than a place of worship with its gray walls and maroon carpet and drapes.
Its stained glass windows, which overlook the Pentagon's outdoor memorial to Sept. 11 victims, depict a soaring eagle and American flag.
Unadorned altar
There are no obvious religious statues or symbols, except Catholic holy water at the door, a Bible beneath each seat and an unadorned altar up front.
Otherwise, religious accouterments are brought in for various worship services.
Wright said that Muslim employees can gather for a daily prayer service Monday through Thursday, and attend a Friday worship service run by an imam from a local mosque.
Two in-house Army chaplains run the chapel, neither of whom are Muslim. Col. Daniel Minjares is associated with the Church of the Nazarene; his deputy, Lt. Col. Ken Williams, is Southern Baptist.
Wright said the chaplains provide religious services for their denomination but can provide services such as grief and marital counseling to employees of any faith.
Mosques near WTC site
Much has been made of a proposed mosque at ground zero, but the Islamic center would be established at 45-51 Park Place, just over two blocks from the northern edge of the sprawling, 16-acre World Trade Center site. Its location is roughly half a dozen normal Lower Manhattan blocks from the site of the North Tower, the nearest of the two destroyed in the attacks.
The center's location, in a former Burlington Coat Factory store, is already used by the cleric for worship, drawing a spillover from the imam's former main place for prayers, the al-Farah mosque. That mosque, at 245 West Broadway, is about a dozen blocks north of the World Trade Center grounds.
Another, the Manhattan Mosque, stands five blocks from the northeast corner of the World Trade Center site.
To be sure, the center's association with 9/11 is intentional and its location is no geographic coincidence. The building was damaged in the Sept. 11 attacks and the center's planners say they want the center to stand as a statement against terrorism. |
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38760800/
Some of you people are really hopeless. This is ING AMERICA, and in ING AMERICA you have the RIGHT to build a mosque ANYWHERE YOU ING WANT. They could build a giant statue of Osama Bin Laden and a memorial to all the people who died there burning in hell. Would it be tasteless and evil? HELL YES it would. Would it be ABSOLUTELY in their right to do so? HELL YES it would. This is ing America, God Damnit, and we let people build where they want. You ing morons that oppose this mosque are s who think they can broadly generalize about an entire religion of people based on the actions of a few radicals. This is like thinking that all christians share the same values as the Westboro Baptist Church.
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| Dj Dizzy |
| quote: | Originally posted by ziptnf
This. Are you people all ing retarded? What is the difference between building a christian church and a mosque near ground zero? NOTHING! ING NOTHING! If you all pulled your heads out of your collective asses, you would realize that Muslims in general are no more radical (in fact, in many cases, most are less radical) than christians. |
bull. islam is the most dangerous popular religion on the planet. while many muslims are peaceful that's only because they are level headed individuals and don't follow the qur'an that closely. they see a lot of it as outdated even though it's the newest popular religion on the planet, some of what the qur'an preaches is disgusting, their mohammad was a madman. if all muslims did follow the qur'an to a letter then they all would be terrorists, islam breeds violence. like i said, look at their mohammad. to compare mohammad to jesus christ or hindu/buddhist deities is a ing joke. mohammad was a madman and a terrorist himself. don't believe me? skim the ing qur'an and you'll see. i have nothing against muslims but i have everything against islam. islam is far more dangerous than other popular religions. every religion has ed up people, that's why i say look at their actual holy books. the qur'an is about peace to muslims and intolerance to non-muslims. look at the life of mohammad, the one who wrote their religion, to see what islam is really all about. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Dizzy
don't believe me? skim the ing qur'an and you'll see. |
Your entire argument is made up of recycled cliche's popular to the debate broadcast in the media. You offer this quoted bit as a back-up to it, as though anyone would come to the conclusions you've come to by skimming the Quran without any bias, what-so-ever, and instantaneously come to the conclusions you've come to. Out of the multitude of asinine arguments I've read on the internet, this is one of the dumbest. It proposes to change someone's mind by inferences they are to make through a very casual reading, without having a contextual understanding of the literature to which it is referring. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| Incoming a slew of textual snippets lifted straight out of the realm of context and left stale beneath the bleaching sun of agenda-based obfuscation! |
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| ziptnf |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Dizzy
bull. islam is the most dangerous popular religion on the planet. while many muslims are peaceful that's only because they are level headed individuals and don't follow the qur'an that closely. they see a lot of it as outdated even though it's the newest popular religion on the planet, some of what the qur'an preaches is disgusting, their mohammad was a madman. if all muslims did follow the qur'an to a letter then they all would be terrorists, islam breeds violence. like i said, look at their mohammad. to compare mohammad to jesus christ or hindu/buddhist deities is a ing joke. mohammad was a madman and a terrorist himself. don't believe me? skim the ing qur'an and you'll see. i have nothing against muslims but i have everything against islam. islam is far more dangerous than other popular religions. every religion has ed up people, that's why i say look at their actual holy books. the qur'an is about peace to muslims and intolerance to non-muslims. look at the life of mohammad, the one who wrote their religion, to see what islam is really all about. |
I don't entirely disagree with your assessment of Islam. I think it's violent, disgusting, and absurd for such a large percentage of the planet to follow such a ed up doctrine. However, the great thing about America is that this is a country where people are free to worship Ronald ing McDonald and be as vocal about their brainwashing and animal sacrifice rituals as they want, and we have no right to tell ANYBODY that it's wrong for them to believe that. The Ronald McDonald people could have some peaceful followers, and some bat insane followers who shoot up schools, but they should still be allowed to build a monstrous tribute to it a block away, because in America you can express yourself and your religion however the you want. All the religions on the planet have been dangerous and ridiculous for thousands of years, ranging from cult-like behavior to outright bloodthirsty and vengeful (see the crusades). We can't tell anybody what to do or what to believe, and if a bunch of cab drivers and their families want to turn a Burlington Coat Factory into a community center where they are free to pray and do whatever the they want in a convenient place then why should we tell them no? You want this country to stay free? Then read the ing constitution. |
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| Dj Dizzy |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
Your entire argument is made up of recycled cliche's popular to the debate broadcast in the media. You offer this quoted bit as a back-up to it, as though anyone would come to the conclusions you've come to by skimming the Quran without any bias, what-so-ever, and instantaneously come to the conclusions you've come to. Out of the multitude of asinine arguments I've read on the internet, this is one of the dumbest. It proposes to change someone's mind by inferences they are to make through a very casual reading, without having a contextual understanding of the literature to which it is referring. |
how is my point of view biased? for the record i don't follow the news, i'm not republican, i don't have any particular stance about this mosque at this time (i have flip-flopped in how i feel about it a number of times) but i do have an unfavorable view on islam. what i know of islam was from reading excerpts from the qur'an. i tried my best to pay no attention to christian or biased websites. in fact i read from muslim websites (they're very hard to find) combined with what i read in the qur'an and came to the conclusion i did. don't try to paint me as some sort of biased republican bigot because i'm not. i looked at it from an unbiased point of view with my goal being to honestly understand more about the religion because i had flip-flopped on how i feel about the mosque. the best way to learn about a religion, i feel, is to learn about the man who started it. the more i read about mohammad the more disgusted i became in my view of islam. i have nothing against muslims, 99% of western muslims are just average functioning people like the rest of who, who cares what religion they are... it's the people who take the qur'an literally word for word are the ones who are terrorists. there are radicals in every religion, and dangerous ones at that because some people are just ed up regardless if they are religious or not. some people use religion as an excuse to be ing crazy. but i'm saying, what the religion of islam is based on, the word of mohammad, is the word of a disgusting human being and nobody should follow his example. THAT is what i'm saying.
so by calling my allegations dumb are you denying that what i said isn't true? i'll reference quotations directly if need be.
what ziptnf said is true, we need to allow them to worship and they can worship ronald mcdonald for all i care. the problem i have with islam is that it worries the hell out of me. any religion as violent as islam is one i disapprove of and feel they should be kept on a short leash. the way i feel is, let them do as they please as long as it doesn't break the law. but it still worries me if islam ever became a dominant religion (i'd rather no religion be a dominant religion) that they would start to instate their own religious law as national law. i don't see that happening anytime soon and am hoping that muslims migrate here and to other democratic countries and i hope they lose their faith. i'd prefer islam to be a religion that is forgotten about and moreso than other religions because islam is more threatening by far than the peace-teaching religions. |
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