Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Wow I just read the quote and not any of your post (because you are stupid) and I thought they were talking about Obama, cause thats the same I hear on CNN about Obama.
No... you don't, ing liar. You can say that assuming I don't watch CNN but you'd be wrong.
EddieZilker
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Originally posted by The17sss
There is no question the media swings left. NO QUESTION. Let me give Nou a small example of CNN's "unbiased" reporting:
August 3rd, Obama hit a new low in approval ratings in the Gallup poll at 41%. The lowest ever for a president this early in his presidency. The word from CNN (and all other mainstream media outlets): silence.
March 13th, 2006. CNN reporting their "lead story" before/after each commerical break:
I've just won a debate premised in COMPLETE DELUSION!
"I've just changed the argument, since Kevin wasn't talking about an on-line article, but the continual repeating of their 'lead story' about flopping poll numbers on CNN's tv channel!"
EDIT: You know what CNN's lead story on tv was the day Obama hit new lows in the polls? Kiran Chetry reporting over and over that a new Gallup survey shows more Americans drinking alcohol than at any time in the last 25 years.
:stongue:
Halcyon+On+On
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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Religion is used to placate the masses towards their government. You could call jihadist actions on the Arabian peninsula part of a revolutionary or freedom fighters movement from an oppressive state. Sadly they are not really looking to replace it with anything much better.
You can also look at the institution of Christianity being backed heavily in the 1950s as a ward against communism. While never being super overt, the US government supported the ideas of a clean christian ideal nation as a defense against communism.
Basically, religion is used as an excuse or a distraction to keep power or to ward off competition to power. The Europeans got over this in the 19th century, the US is struggling with the end game in the 21st century, and the Islamic world hasn't even started (and where they have made attempts, they just wrap it in more religion, because its all a power game there still with limited players).
Generally speaking, I definitely agree with this. But I don't think religion merely exists to placate people toward their governments, but in a similar way, toward one another. It facilities society and fertility on several different levels, and has for a while now. The point you are getting at is that governments use it as a tool to galvanize their populations into either resistance or assimilation, but I do not believe this is the sole purpose as it has proven a remarkably viral meme, even in periods of authoritative breakdown, as is naturally it's very purpose. It does however have the side effect of bringing people together politically, and when a threatened governmental force resides on that same scale, similar media outlets tailored for certain demographics are of course going to reflect an appropriate bias. It's just successful business, no matter what you believe.
And with successful business in mind, it's going to get uglier and uglier as oil reserves in the middle east begin to dwindle. A 2 billion member religion is going to outlive its economic utility to an increasingly secular (?) world, and only time will tell if the throes of diplomacy will have caught up with the the avarice of aggresive post-amoebas.
EddieZilker
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Originally posted by The17sss
"I've just changed the argument, since Kevin wasn't talking about an on-line article, but the continual repeating of their 'lead story' about flopping poll numbers on CNN's tv channel!"
Doesn't matter. The liberal-media-bias assumption is utterly bogus. It's a hoax. CNN's TV channel will almost never report on anything consequential with enough factual information for anyone to make a decision about it beyond whether or not it conforms to their political view-point or adheres to their personal confirmation bias.
All that CNN is doing is playing to confirmation biases. A Republican watching it is no more going to have their mind changed than a Democrat would. That's all FOX does, as well. So, yes, maybe they're pandering a little to the left but, trust me, it's with information so inadequate that the notion it's capable of shaping public opinion is ludicrous - they're just speaking to the largest psychographic segment of a pie-chart. Just like FOX does with a Republican bias.
Halcyon+On+On
I would say that, at the heart of things, an extremely transparent government that grants absolute freedom to the media is as philosophically liberal as it gets. In fact, classical liberalism (often a far cry from today's brand) was probably the direct result of a need for the media to report things factually and freely.
ModernNosferatu
The17sss
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Originally posted by EddieZilker
Doesn't matter. The liberal-media-bias assumption is utterly bogus. It's a hoax. CNN's TV channel will almost never report on anything consequential with enough factual information for anyone to make a decision about it beyond whether or not it conforms to their political view-point or adheres to their personal confirmation bias.
All that CNN is doing is playing to confirmation biases. A Republican watching it is no more going to have their mind changed than a Democrat would. That's all FOX does, as well. So, yes, maybe they're pandering a little to the left but, trust me, it's with information so inadequate that the notion it's capable of shaping public opinion is ludicrous - they're just speaking to the largest psychographic segment of a pie-chart. Just like FOX does with a Republican bias.
That's also part of the problem... CNN doesn't report on many things that should be reported, especially when they are detrimental to Democrat and left wing positions. It's similar to lies of omission. Major news outlets are not about reporting the news anymore, they're about shaping it.
How can you claim "hoax" after the whole JournoList (started by Washington Post columnist Ezra Klein) thing happened last month, exposing the emails that showed coordinated strategical attacks by 400+ people from the left wing media hacks working for the WaPo, NY Times, LA Times, Politico, etc, against conservatives? There was clear collusion between them suggesting using their power, secretively, to bring down the Right. Here are a couple of examples from their leaked emails (JournoList was shut down after being exposed).
1) Trying to find a way to have the government/FCC shut down Fox News (ironic to have journalists being anti first amendment)? This was initially suggested by UCLA law professor Jonathan Zasloff! He began that discussion like this:
quote:
I hate to open this can of worms, but is there any reason why the FCC couldn't simply pull their broadcasting permit once it expires?
This is a law professor trying to figure out how to destroy the 1st Amendment for those with opposing viewpoints. He's not even smart enough to know Cable isn't regulated by the FCC.
2) Openly discussing how to paint "any" conservative reporter as a racist in order to deflect attention away from the Obama/Jeremiah Wright story. Here's Spencer Ackerman of the Washington Independant sending out a shot to the rest of the JournoList members:
quote:
If the right forces us all to either defend Wright or tear him down, no matter what we choose, we lose the game they’ve put upon us. Instead, take one of them — Fred Barnes, Karl Rove, who cares — and call them racists. Ask: why do they have such a deep-seated problem with a black politician who unites the country? What lurks behind those problems? This makes *them* sputter with rage, which in turn leads to overreaction and self-destruction.
...I do not endorse a Popular Front, nor do I think you need to. It’s not necessary to jump to Wright-qua-Wright’s defense. What is necessary is to raise the cost on the right of going after the left. In other words, find a rightwinger’s and smash it through a plate-glass window. Take a snapshot of the bleeding mess and send it out in a Christmas card to let the right know that it needs to live in a state of constant fear.
Are you ing kidding me!?
3) Not on the JournoList, but when the story broke a few weeks ago, this woman's comment to Politico was done with some pretty heavy candor: Mary Frances Berry, professor at the University of Pennsylvania, former chair of the US Commission on Civil Rights.
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Tainting the tea party movement with the charge of racism is proving to be an effective strategy for Democrats. There is no evidence that tea party adherents are any more racist than other Republicans, and indeed many other Americans. But getting them to spend their time purging their ranks and having candidates distance themselves should help Democrats win in November. Having one's opponent rebut charges of racism is far better than discussing joblessness.
:wtf: :wtf: :wtf:
Time to open your eyes, uninformed Lefties. This JournoList debacle confirms what we already suspected; setting up templates from within on which to report stories before they came out. How in the hell can anyone claim a "vast right wing media conspiracy"? LOL that's laughable... there is only 1 major cable news channel that leans conservative. Did your precious unbiased CNN report on this (JournoList)? Didn't think so. ;)
Lews
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Originally posted by EddieZilker
Doesn't matter. The liberal-media-bias assumption is utterly bogus. It's a hoax. CNN's TV channel will almost never report on anything consequential with enough factual information for anyone to make a decision about it beyond whether or not it conforms to their political view-point or adheres to their personal confirmation bias.
All that CNN is doing is playing to confirmation biases. A Republican watching it is no more going to have their mind changed than a Democrat would. That's all FOX does, as well. So, yes, maybe they're pandering a little to the left but, trust me, it's with information so inadequate that the notion it's capable of shaping public opinion is ludicrous - they're just speaking to the largest psychographic segment of a pie-chart. Just like FOX does with a Republican bias.
Most people watching cable news already have their minds made up about the issues anyways. All it is is confirmation bias.
ModernNosferatu
Just hug it out peeps.
It takes all kinds of people to make the world go around.
leph555
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Originally posted by ModernNosferatu
Just hug it out peeps.
It takes all kinds of people to make the world go around.
/thread
Joss Weatherby
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Originally posted by The17sss
That's also part of the problem... CNN doesn't report on many things that should be reported, especially when they are detrimental to Democrat and left wing positions. It's similar to lies of omission. Major news outlets are not about reporting the news anymore, they're about shaping it.
How can you claim "hoax" after the whole JournoList (started by Washington Post columnist Ezra Klein) thing happened last month, exposing the emails that showed coordinated strategical attacks by 400+ people from the left wing media hacks working for the WaPo, NY Times, LA Times, Politico, etc, against conservatives? There was clear collusion between them suggesting using their power, secretively, to bring down the Right. Here are a couple of examples from their leaked emails (JournoList was shut down after being exposed).
1) Trying to find a way to have the government/FCC shut down Fox News (ironic to have journalists being anti first amendment)? This was initially suggested by UCLA law professor Jonathan Zasloff! He began that discussion like this:
This is a law professor trying to figure out how to destroy the 1st Amendment for those with opposing viewpoints. He's not even smart enough to know Cable isn't regulated by the FCC.
2) Openly discussing how to paint "any" conservative reporter as a racist in order to deflect attention away from the Obama/Jeremiah Wright story. Here's Spencer Ackerman of the Washington Independant sending out a shot to the rest of the JournoList members:
Are you ing kidding me!?
3) Not on the JournoList, but when the story broke a few weeks ago, this woman's comment to Politico was done with some pretty heavy candor: Mary Frances Berry, professor at the University of Pennsylvania, former chair of the US Commission on Civil Rights.
:wtf: :wtf: :wtf:
Time to open your eyes, uninformed Lefties. This JournoList debacle confirms what we already suspected; setting up templates from within on which to report stories before they came out. How in the hell can anyone claim a "vast right wing media conspiracy"? LOL that's laughable... there is only 1 major cable news channel that leans conservative. Did your precious unbiased CNN report on this (JournoList)? Didn't think so. ;)
OK, even if any of that is true, at least they were conspiring FOR the people. The left is more often than not for the people. The right is for themselves.
The left is good, the right is bad. That is an undeniable fact. Look at social security. The right wants it gone and NO ONE ELSE DOES, not even the moderate right, which is the old people in this country (the like really old, not the dumb ass I am 49-69 old, but the 70+ retired old, you know the ones that live on social security).
What does the right wanna do? Give it away to wall street to rape for the tiny bit of money it has left. ing insanity. AND YOU SUPPORT THIS KEVIN. YOU SUPPORT OLD PEOPLE DYING IN THE STREETS OR WORKING TILL THE GRAVE. WHY WOULD YOU SUPPORT THAT? :conf: ITS ING SICK. You are disgusting.
