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| Orko |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
Yes I am, but I don't think I'm off base. At least when I look at my friends supporting this movement, half of them post their gripes about corporate greed from their iphones, lol. Oh, and RIP Steve Jobs. |
I did find this funny. So many people on facebook who support OWS, but then mourned Steve Jobs.
He was head of the second largest corp in the world (from market cap), which litigated the out of competitors. |
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| jon jon |
| owning an iphone doesn't make you a hypocrite to this cause imo |
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| Xavier Moriarty |
| quote: | Originally posted by jon jon
my bad, I must be imagining this whole thread |
ok, let me try a different approach. what do you see when you look at that picture i posted? |
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| LightsOut |
| quote: | Originally posted by jon jon
owning an iphone doesn't make you a hypocrite to this cause imo |
I would agree, although it isn't a half bad anaology.
If you lined up overnight for an iphone 4S and paid $800 outright, even though 8 months ago you did the same for the iphone 4 that still works, your certainly facilitating the problem. It's excessive spending, no matter how you look at it. All it does is line corporate pockets.
Most of the components of that iphone 4S are made in Asia. Why? Because Asian countries employ significantly lower social standards and Apple can get these products made for a much cheaper price. This is why we have no manufacturing jobs here anymore. However, aren't apple entitled to source the cheapest manufacturers they can find, in order to maximize profits? This is the definition of capitalism. So these protesters arguing against "corporate greed", yet having such a hard on for Apple products, therefore essentially are facilitating one of the very issues they claim to be against. Not to mention, promoting cheap labour and inferior social standards in foreign countries. This is called "unfair" trade.
China, for example, is aware of this and continues to exploit it. Hence, why they under value their currency so much. Perhaps these protesters should be asking "why aren't we applying tariffs on goods manufactured in countries that undercut domestic manufacturing policy and actively promote low social standards for their citizens?" Because, then your iphone 4S would cost $2600. |
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| StereoPrincess |
| quote: | Originally posted by LightsOut
You can't compare the civil right movement and these protest imo. The civil rights movement had a clear and concise objective, and a course of action to achieve this objective.
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yes and no. the civil rights movement combined with different goals for most of the time. women's rights, gay rights, black rights, against war, etc. people just revolted against everything at that time. and change still took forever to happen. and it wasn't just in the states at the time. students were rioting in france and mexico, people were fighting communism in eastern europe. many things going on at that time. just like now, people are trying to get something going. i am interested in seeing what happens and which goal will be the unifying one. |
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| Xavier Moriarty |
| quote: | Originally posted by LightsOut
I would agree, although it isn't a half bad anaology.
If you lined up overnight for an iphone 4S and paid $800 outright, even though 8 months ago you did the same for the iphone 4 that still works, your certainly facilitating the problem. It's excessive spending, no matter how you look at it. All it does is line corporate pockets.
Most of the components of that iphone 4S are made in Asia. Why? Because Asian countries employ significantly lower social standards and Apple can therefor get it for cheaper. This is why we have no manufacturing jobs here anymore. However, aren't apple entitled to source the cheapest manufacturers they can find, in order to maximize profits? This is the definition of capitalism. So these protesters arguing against "corporate greed", yet having such a hard on for Apple products, they essentially are facilitating one of the very issues they claim to be against. |
probably the best reply ever !!! |
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| LightsOut |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
yes and no. the civil rights movement combined with different goals for most of the time. women's rights, gay rights, black rights, against war, etc. people just revolted against everything at that time. and change still took forever to happen. and it wasn't just in the states at the time. students were rioting in france and mexico, people were fighting communism in eastern europe. many things going on at that time. just like now, people are trying to get something going. i am interested in seeing what happens and which goal will be the unifying one. |
Yeah I hear that, the civil rights movement had many different causes, although it was united under one common criteria. Equality for all.
I wouldn't necessarily equate communism in Europe (ie: The Iron Curtain) to the civil right movement though, they share similarities of course, but all civilians are generally considered equal in communist doctrine (in theory of course). Also a cause worthy of protest of course, and one very personal to me. |
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| StereoPrincess |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
People don't realize if the US banking system fails then we're looking at a second great depression. I'd characterize you as one of these people.
YES American financial institutions gambled and lost. YES they were bailed out after many people at the top got rich. But to allow them to go under would be catastrophic for absolutely everyone, including every single one of those people protesting.
I heard on the news that all but GM have paid back their bailouts. Can anyone confirm/deny? |
lol. i was going to say, i wonder how long ti will be before someone actually says this. umm, the banks hold the people's money. if they fail, the people lose the little money they have. what is so hard about that to understand. if a bank fails, all of their clients suffer. i guess the only way is to keep your money under the mattress. great interest you get on that. |
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| StereoPrincess |
| quote: | Originally posted by LightsOut
I wouldn't necessarily equate communism in Europe (ie: The Iron Curtain) to the civil right movement though, they share similarities of course, but all civilians are generally considered equal in communist doctrine (in theory of course). Also a cause worthy of protest of course, and one very personal to me. |
well i guess that was the problem. the civilians didn't want to be equal to each other. they wanted to be equal to the administration. (which were basically the 1%) |
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| mikester69 |
| Probably even Karl Marx would have an Iphone in this society, but that doesn't make it right! |
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| Orko |
| quote: | Originally posted by jon jon
owning an iphone doesn't make you a hypocrite to this cause imo |
No, but failing to see the link between the two, does make you an idiot. |
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