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Don’t Occupy Sydney
At the moment in the US there is a collection of affiliated protests, centred on New York city. As with all “grass roots” protest movements, some of the protesters are unemployed or students who enjoy shows of unity and demands for change as a recreational sport. Some of them are people who have found themselves with a low quality of life for no other reason than they have declined to work to improve it. They see that other people have a high quality of life and are demanding the same.
These groups of people are the minority. The majority of protesters, and the theme of the protest, is the idea of a (figurative) 99% of America who may or may not be well educated, but work hard, and still have a quality of life that compares better to developing countries than the United States. Some are drowning in student debts that are all but impossible to service. Some have been through processes of being laid off or having pay reductions in corporate cost cutting exercises and earn only as much or in many cases significantly less than they did several years ago - while costs continue to inflate. Many or most have no access to healthcare were they to require it - not being able to afford access to the user-pays American system.
The 99% are real, and it’s frightening. Young families with $10 left after essentials who are an illness away from bankruptcy, professionals with undergraduate degrees in corporate roles who are choosing between making student loan payments and eating dinner. One to two generations of Americans who are fed up to hell with an economy that came about largely because of a finance industry which managed to somehow overthrow the rules of capitalism; an industry that instead of winning or losing based on market supply and demand, took home its profits, and managed to get its debts paid by taxpayers. The entirety of Wall St is like Nick Leeson, the derivatives trader who worked for Barings making a tonne of highly profitable transactional trades, all the while putting the debts from the disastrous failed trades into an “error account” (numbered 88888) until they totalled $1.4 billion and were discovered. Barings was sold to ING for £1.00
Australia is different. Australia is a country with universal subsidised healthcare, subsidised tertiary education with an efficient and fair loans scheme which is paid at an acceptable rate only out of the money you earn, near universal employment and an expansive welfare system that can sustain the unemployed for years if that’s what the situation requires (unlike the US’ time-limited unemployment benefits scheme).
Our banks are strong and to a large extent highly ethical. The lack of speculative, nonsensical finance products bought and sold in Australia by our highly liquid and well regulated financial institutions, means our economy didn’t only not plunge into recession in the GFC, we largely didn’t even feel its effects beyond those from exposure to overseas markets. Our average wage is about 150% of the US’, our minimum wage is $15.51 to the $8.00 in Los Angeles. It’s not perfect but when an Australian retires, they will absolutely have some retirement benefits due to a pension system and the superannuation guarantee.
We have our problems. We have people who are mentally ill who aren’t getting help. We have indigenous communities that just aren’t thriving. We have a nation gripped with an absurd fascination with people who crawl onto our beaches having escaped whatever hasn’t been bombed into a vapour in their home country. We have a polarised national debate about the global environment and how to minimise our effect on it, and that debate is birthing a sociological crisis in the way groups of Australians interact with each other, their government, and the media.
These problems don’t get fixed with the solutions the Americans are demanding. “Occupying” Sydney or Melbourne and demanding the “end of corporate greed” is putting a bandaid on your forehead to deal with a headache. With the lack of relevancy the “occupy” movement has in Australia, the only people left are the unhygienic, mouth breathing Socialist Alliance, Citizen’s Electoral Council and other limpet organisations that try to inseminate their agenda into any group of people larger than about twelve individuals. You want to occupy something in Australia?
Occupy your local member’s office and discuss how the mentally ill can get the help they need.
Occupy a soup kitchen and use your labour to give the homeless that we do have, a hot nutritious meal.
Occupy a dinner party and explain the scope and substance of our “refugee crisis” to your friends in clear, respectful language.
Occupy a talkback radio station for 5 minutes on the phone, and ask the shock jock why it’s a bad thing for the government to make polluting more expensive for companies. |
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| Spam |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
The end result of any redistribution would be more money for the protesters, either directly or indirectly, no? Why would they want more money? Presumably so they can have a higher quality of life, no? How would one in a society with the highest quality of life gain an even better quality of life? By acquiring more luxury goods or services, no? |
Alternatively, they may want to enjoy the same level of luxury, but work less hours, or experience less strenuous labour, to do so. |
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| jon jon |
(no clue how real this is, post worthy still imo) |
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| Endlesswave |
Jon, I see your picture and raise you a:
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| feelgood |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spam
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by GGM
But for all the non-believers ask yourself this, what harm can this movement cause? I think we can only gain from this it's just a matter of how much. |
If you're a US citizen, I think there's something to lose. The kind of change these protesters want threaten the very financial structure that holds much of the country, and possibly the world, together. That structure may not be fair, but big changes to it are not going to go smoothly, don't you agree? Do they really want another liquidity crunch, another stock market crash, another jump in the unemployment rate when banks get sued, when corporations start paying more tax? |
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| The Highroller |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
The kind of change these protesters want threaten the very financial structure that holds much of the country, and possibly the world, together. |
On the contrary, I think what is becoming apparent, especially in the past 3 years, is that the current financial structure is tearing the Western world apart. |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by The Highroller
On the contrary, I think what is becoming apparent, especially in the past 3 years, is that the current financial structure is tearing the Western world apart. |
Impossible to know for sure until they start going under what the better alternative is. |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
If you're a US citizen, I think there's something to lose. |
Hardly. |
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| Endlesswave |
| quote: | Originally posted by The Highroller
On the contrary, I think what is becoming apparent, especially in the past 3 years, is that the current financial structure is tearing the Western world apart. |
This.
Also Sarah, I don't think it's whether there's a 'better' alternative. It's just having the financial system down south and others be more accountable for huge screw ups and not have stuff done on purpose to screw over the population. |
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