Originally posted by jon jon
like... the civil rights movement?
You can't compare the civil right movement and these protest imo. The civil rights movement had a clear and concise objective, and a course of action to achieve this objective.
The only thing that's clear in these protests on wall street and bay street is that some people are unhappy. Some about the war in Afghanistan, some about economic reform, some about civil rights issues and some about domestic policy. It's not really a coordinated rally with a purpose and course of action, moreso just a protest for people to voice whatever concerns they have. Fair enough, but what can it really accomplish then if everyone isn't united under one cause? Democaracy is often called the least worst form of government, as its impossible to make everyone happy, so you might as well try and make the majority.
jon jon
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Originally posted by LightsOut
I really just don't get it.
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Originally posted by LightsOut
Then what does it refer to? I assume
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Originally posted by LightsOut
imo
jon jon
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Originally posted by LightsOut
You can't compare the civil right movement and these protest imo.
I wasn't
LightsOut
...so correct me if I'm wrong...
jon jon
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Originally posted by LightsOut
...so correct me if I'm wrong...
I want to, but it's too frustrating for me to even try
Spam
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Originally posted by LightsOut
...so correct me if I'm wrong...
You're not going to get any answers out of him, he doesn't know wtf they're protesting either.
DeleteFromUsers
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Originally posted by Jayx1
Most of these people seem to be asking for socialism. The ones interviewed have even admitted this. What this and the "tax the rich" message says to me is that these people want money given to them from someone else so they don't have to work, or work as hard, or be creative in how to make a living.
Yes there are problems. BIG problems.
What they should be asking for are these:
"Cut payroll taxes so that it is easier for someone to hire me"
"Cut bureaucracy so that it is easier for me to start my own small business"
"If you don't like making bankers rich, tell your government to stop borrowing from them to pay for your social services"
"Capitalism made us prosperous, Corporate bailout socialism made us poor"
"Stop trading with manipulative countries like China until they play by the same rules as the rest of the world"
Etc
None of what you said is valid. You've missed the point. Completely. As always. Again.
As a libertarian, you've forgotten that your success, your health, your freedom was fought for, won, and maintained on the back of the society in which you live. You are not an island. You are personally completely, totally, and inclusively incapable of producing the goods which sustain your very breath, maintain your personal safety, and protect your "freedom." As am I, as is everyone reading this message. You demonize the word "socialism" despite sipping from the very same goblet of "socialism" that sustains you and every other Canadian.
Everyone else who has contributed to this thread has had something worthwhile to say. Only you come here with your own personal idiotic, ignorant, fantasy agenda and take a useful discussion into a rotting cesspool of irrelevant digression.
Idiot.
LightsOut
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Originally posted by jon jon
I wasn't
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I want to, but it's too frustrating for me to even try
I know you weren't, just using it as a basis of comparison. I get the civil rights protests (how could anyone not), whereas this one I don't, that's all.
Regardless of if I understand the reasoning or not, these people have every right to protest as they see fit.
I'm proud of all the protesters around the world and in Toronto. I think this is working. Why? cause at least now this has become talk around "the water-cooler". Things have been brushed under the rug for too long. Who cares if there is no cohesive plan or objective. The Occupy movement is about waking up your mind to things that are going on with the world that we live in today.
Oh and to the ppl who are like why is Canada participating in this? We are all connected economically. One falls and we all fall like dominos. What is wrong with having a little empathy for other countries around the world? People around the world are having a difficult time right now. So why not lend some support? Nothing wrong with that.
BTW i run my own business, pay taxes, i have participated in putting together charity events in the past. I dont have a lot of time on my hands as some poster said earlier. Im not going through any financial woes either. Yet i still attended yesterday for a few good hours.
jon jon
SPANIARD
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Originally posted by jon jon
I just want to add that not only is Chris Hedges 1000X smarter, braver, honest and courageous than someone like Kevin O'Leary, he's also not known for his economic critiques (his main writings are on religion and American foreign policy). It's so shameful that Kevin O'Leary can't even make a rebuttal on the most basic issues that are at hand when he is paid to talk about the economy on National TV and instead sticks to ad hominem attacks. Good on Hedges for not wanting to come back on because he is 100% right (sadly) about the 'Fox News' type treatment he recieved.
