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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by PivotTechno
Not to worry, your brethren are anxiously waiting for you to get on board!
Fight the power! |
:crazy: you're an idiot - back to ignore list you go. |
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| PivotTechno |
Only took you three days, five pages and a picture to figure it out, and I'm the idiot?
I hear Kim Kardashian's flaunting a boss fuschia protest sign this year - get 'em while they're hot, hot, hot! |
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| Elendil |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
im not quite sure what you mean. if you mean its good living in a world where words have clearly defined meanings which can't be altered to suit one's argument, then yeah, it is pretty pimpin'. |
No, what I meant was that your rather arrogant critique of my position was based on a starkly "black and white" perception (here I refer to your comment that "police don't punish, they enforce"). It does not acknowledge the dynamics of this or other like situations.
Pepper spray is indeed a "tool" which officers are authorized to make use of in order to ensure compliance. However, they are also authorized to use tasers, firearms, batons, teargas - any number of weapons. However, their use - in every case - must be called for based on the circumstance presented. The proper tool must be selected for every job. Was pepper spray called for, when there seemed to be no clear threat to the officer, or anyone nearby? Could these individuals have simply been arrested? Ticketed? Did the actions taken by that officer increase the chance of violent response? Was the officer serving and protecting? My position is based on my own response to these questions.
Regardless, you're welcome to the opinion that it's a justified and apt response. I don't have a problem with that opinion, but I have a problem with you suggesting that I'm ignorant in mine. |
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| Endlesswave |
| Using pepper spray or some other significant force (tazering, baton) when protesters are using non violence to make their point is like using a sledge hammer to drive home a basic nail. |
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| WittyHandle |
Apparently using pepper spray is illegal in war, but perfectly legit on peaceful protesters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemic...pons_Convention
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
Glad they are not camping in the park any longer. Seems hypocritical to be breaking the law to get a point across about how everyone else is the bad guy. |
I think they are two very different levels of "bad" though. Illegal camping vs having a large hand in the financial collapse of a country. That's like saying you shouldn't jaywalk to cross the street to get a look at someone who just committed a murder so you can identify them to the police. |
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| Endlesswave |
| quote: | Originally posted by WittyHandle
Apparently using pepper spray is illegal in war, but perfectly legit on peaceful protesters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemic...pons_Convention
I think they are two very different levels of "bad" though. Illegal camping vs having a large hand in the financial collapse of a country. That's like saying you shouldn't jaywalk to cross the street to get a look at someone who just committed a murder so you can identify them to the police. |
Yepz. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
well the protesters in Toronto must not care that much about the cause considering how quietly they let the police remove their structures. :D
That being said, its good to see that not every removal of protesters has to turn violent. |
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| Nick Cenik |
| quote: | Originally posted by WittyHandle
two very different levels of "bad"... Illegal camping vs having a large hand in the financial collapse of a country... |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by WittyHandle
I think they are two very different levels of "bad" though. Illegal camping vs having a large hand in the financial collapse of a country. That's like saying you shouldn't jaywalk to cross the street to get a look at someone who just committed a murder so you can identify them to the police. |
I see your point, but I still don't believe they are protesting anything particularly grave here in Canada. We didn't have a financial collapse. |
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| Ferg |
| I'm glad this is the first time I noticed this thread. I'm sure it brought ignorance to a whole new level. Don't argue with people who don't get occupy, obviously majority of Canadians own multi-billion dollar corporations, otherwise why did they all vote conservative. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Elendil
No, what I meant was that your rather arrogant critique of my position was based on a starkly "black and white" perception (here I refer to your comment that "police don't punish, they enforce"). It does not acknowledge the dynamics of this or other like situations.
Pepper spray is indeed a "tool" which officers are authorized to make use of in order to ensure compliance. However, they are also authorized to use tasers, firearms, batons, teargas - any number of weapons. However, their use - in every case - must be called for based on the circumstance presented. The proper tool must be selected for every job. Was pepper spray called for, when there seemed to be no clear threat to the officer, or anyone nearby? Could these individuals have simply been arrested? Ticketed? Did the actions taken by that officer increase the chance of violent response? Was the officer serving and protecting? My position is based on my own response to these questions.
Regardless, you're welcome to the opinion that it's a justified and apt response. I don't have a problem with that opinion, but I have a problem with you suggesting that I'm ignorant in mine. |
i merely took issue with your assertion that the police were acting outside their mandate and were punishing, neither of which are true. but i certainly could be convinced (with evidence) that the police used excessive force.
are you seriously making this argument? :stongue: |
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