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Occupy Toronto (pg. 35)
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spam
I read the tents are empty, and the protesters come back in the morning. |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
weak |
someone should just trash all that crap and clean the space out! |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
someone should just trash all that crap and clean the space out! |
What did these people ever do to you? Just curious.Why so much hate? Have you been down there? I have and there is no crap or trash there for that matter.
From a logical perspective Occupy Toronto should not succeed. The rational view of logic sees only chaos there and from this landscape, Occupy Toronto should not work. It should not be here. But it does work and it is here. I think you should go down there once with Alex and see things for yourself instead of reading what others say about it. Just a thought.:p |
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| FunkyCrew |
I've posted a few articles that explain exactly why I find them annoying
no hate
don't generalize stuff
find someone annoying doesn't mean I hate them/it/whatever :)
oh and we saw them the weekend they started - we laughed and kept on going :)
it clearly doesn't work, and it was doomed for a failure from the start, IMO. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
oh and we saw them the weekend they started - we laughed and kept on going :) |
Did you go into the park and talk to a few people at least to get an idea what this movement is all about?
| quote: | | it clearly doesn't work, and it was doomed for a failure from the start, IMO. |
Sounds like you can predict the future here since you seem to be 100% certain that they will fail. Why not think positive? Remember one thing tough that results don't happen over night or weeks or even months. This could go on for a very long time and it is gaining momentum all across the world as we speak. |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Did you go into the park and talk to a few people at least to get an idea what this movement is all about? |
why? THEY do not even know what it is about :)
| quote: | | Sounds like you can predict the future here since you seem to be 100% certain that they will fail. Why not think positive? Remember one thing tough that results don't happen over night or weeks or even months. This could go on for a very long time and it is gaining momentum all across the world as we speak. |
I think this guy summed it pretty well for me:
| quote: | | You get to do something you perceive as brave, when all you’re doing is simply trying the patience of powerful people and more or less hampering the lives of decent people trying to get on with their lives. And once the powerful have had enough, they’ll send in the cops and off you’ll scatter. |
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| feelgood |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
The “Occupy Whatever” movement bound to accomplish nothing — or “What’s your point?”
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Interesting, the article is no longer found. I was gonna throw it on fb.
I did locate the original blog though |
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| FunkyCrew |
I threw it on my FB in the morning - interesting! NP removed it eh? |
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| Orko |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
don't generalize stuff
find someone annoying doesn't mean I hate them/it/whatever :)
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| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
why? THEY do not even know what it is about :)
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Don't generalize, but I will generalize the whole 'movement'. Yes, some people don't have a clue why they are protesting, but to say that the majority of people don't know, without having talked to them, is a gross generalization.
The multitude of causes of issues, may make for a weak singular direction, but that does not mean that the motivation or beliefs of the individuals should be completely discounted as you are doing.
Listen to your own words Funky. |
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| FunkyCrew |
Navid, just to add - I think I've mentioned already but unfortunately none of the causes they're sitting for (from what I gathered) really ring a bell in me
I'm more concerned with library closures atm, so I'm following that closely and petitioning as much as I can! |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
Don't generalize, but I will generalize the whole 'movement'. Yes, some people don't have a clue why they are protesting, but to say that the majority of people don't know, without having talked to them, is a gross generalization. |
maybe OccupyElsewhere has more definite causes they're fighting for, but sorry, not the Toronto one
| quote: | | The multitude of causes of issues, may make for a weak singular direction, but that does not mean that the motivation or beliefs of the individuals should be completely discounted as you are doing. |
discounted because none from what I've read to date seem to have sparked much interest in me
like I've already mentioned in this thread, my impression of them is that they're Occupying "whatever" because of the other events around the globe |
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| Yohan |
PR like this doesn't help the image of Occupy movements
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...article2224264/
Another editorial
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...article2223220/
| quote: | This Occupy protest’s in danger of fizzling out
GARY MASON | Columnist profile | E-mail
From Thursday's Globe and Mail
Published Thursday, Nov. 03, 2011 2:00AM EDT
Last updated Thursday, Nov. 03, 2011 3:00PM EDT
Is the Occupy movement growing or dying? Are groups such as the one that set up camp on the grounds of the Vancouver Art Gallery hurting the cause or helping it? Does a leaderless protest organization have any promise of forcing change?
If you talk to the person considered largely responsible for the whole thing, the amorphous, anti-hierarchical nature of Occupy is part of its mystique and will eventually be the reason for its success. And if you’re tempted to ask Adbusters co-founder Kalle Lasn how a protest group that doesn’t have a specific set of demands can accomplish anything, he’ll tell you that you don’t get what’s really going on.
“People expect this to be the old-style revolution,” says Mr. Lasn, whose counterculture magazine sparked the movement. “They expect it to be one that is vertical, that has demands, that has a leader who will tell you what’s going on so it’s crystal clear. But this movement is horizontal. It grew out of the culture of the Internet and learned something from the encampments in Spain and some of the anarchism going on in Greece.”
Instead, Mr. Lasn told me, Occupy is egalitarian and doesn’t like leaders or demands. It’s trying to create a new model for democracy, transcending failed revolutions of the past and eschewing simplistic left-wing slogans such as Tax the Rich.
Perhaps. But Occupy has certainly relied on catchphrases of its own – “the 99 per cent,” “the 1 per cent” – to convey its anti-establishment message. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
I think what many people are struggling with is where Occupy goes from here. Does it have any hope of building on the early momentum it had behind the message that corporate greed, represented by the obscene profits and bonuses seen on Wall Street, symbolizes a world fundamentally out of sync?
The first protests at Zuccotti Park in Lower Manhattan appeared to give voice to a growing feeling that inequality, not prosperity, had become the hallmark of our modern society. And that crony capitalism had corrupted democratically elected governments around the world to the detriment of a stagnating middle class whose needs were not being met.
But now I watch the 75 or so people occupying the grounds of the Vancouver Art Gallery and question whether there’s any hope for the movement. The spirit of optimism that imbued the site early on has dissipated. Many campers have left, frustrated by the clash of varying ideologues and agendas. It seems to exist with no purpose.
Meantime, entreaties by City Hall to end the occupation have been ignored. And outside supporters of the noble sentiment that formed the basis of the movement have begun to question the occupiers’ true goal.
Is there one? Or is it just anarchy dressed up as something else?
For his part, Mr. Lasn isn’t worried that the various occupations across North America will produce a public backlash that could erode the support the movement enjoyed. That conflict over the encampments will effectively kill the national conversation the movement sparked.
On the contrary, Mr. Lasn says, infighting is normal. As the movement moves into its “second phase,” trouble is to be expected. Revolutions, after all, are a messy business.
“In Egypt, there is going to be a slugfest for many years to see who finally controls the country and what kind of system they give birth to,” he says. “I think the same thing will happen to this movement. There’s going to be a lot of grief, a lot of pain, possibly a lot of violence, but somewhere down the road, I hope a new system will be born.”
Not to be a killjoy, but I don’t see it happening. Not unless the Occupy movement can produce some type of political manifesto that ordinary people can understand and relate to and that offers legitimate hope of beneficial change. In other words, it needs more than just emotion to sustain itself and to result in something.
Because right now, for all its good intentions, this protest campaign is in danger of fizzling out.
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