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Occupy Toronto (pg. 47)
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| Nick Cenik |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
One of the main reasons we have the freedom and civil rights that we enjoy today is previous generations protesting and fighting for what they believed in. |
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| Orko |
Protests work:
CRTC offers compromise on usage-based billing
It was an online protest, represented by a petition, but it worked.
I have started to realise this much more from watching other countries around the world. Canadian's need more passion; we need to take more risks, especially mentally.
Next up, Omnibus. Shut that down. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
That is the problem right there with our society nowadays. We have all forgotten how powerful protesting really is.
Look at the history of protesting world wide. It was mainly due to people protesting in the Middle East that changed the regimes. One of the main reasons why we have the freedom and civil rights that we all enjoy today is due to previous generations protesting and fighting for what they believed in.
This generation today doesn't really understand the concept of protesting unfortunately... |
That's because in the grand scheme of things North Americans don't have anything truly worthy of protesting. |
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| LightsOut |
It's all a numbers game.
Protesting is great, especially when its for the benefit of the majority. However, I would suggest the majority don't actually care about this cause, or if they do, they don't care enough to get out and do something about it. If they did, their would be tens of thousands protesting.
Look at it this way. The GTA has a population of around 4.5 million. Canada's unemployment rate is around 8%. That's 360,000 people who aren't working 9-5 in the GTA and given the circumstances of this rally, should potentially be demonstrating and active, considering its for their benefit after all. Yet, these protests don't even draw 1% of that group out on a regular basis.
Glad to see this turned out as it did.
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
One of the main reasons why we have the freedom and civil rights that we all enjoy today is due to previous generations protesting and fighting for what they believed in. |
And I would suggest that if an issue came up regarding civil rights, it would receive the same support today as similar protests received earlier in the century. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
Protests work:
CRTC offers compromise on usage-based billing
It was an online protest, represented by a petition, but it worked.
I have started to realise this much more from watching other countries around the world. Canadian's need more passion; we need to take more risks, especially mentally.
Next up, Omnibus. Shut that down. |
Maybe I missed something in that article but I don't see a connection between the protesting and the decision the CRTC made. |
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| Skipper |
OK, so let me make sure I understand this.
Occupy is allowed to stay at the park so long as their tents and sleeping bags are removed? This I am okay with. It's a public space for assembly - but it's not a campground. Nevermind that we will see how dedicated this movement is once our Canadian winter blows through.
However, my Dad asked this and I have no response: how can a supreme court judge overturn a municipal law, just like that? A judge is not an elected official - why are they overruling laws already in place? |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
That's because in the grand scheme of things North Americans don't have anything truly worthy of protesting. |
I doubt this to be the case. I agree Canadian culture is simply not one for protests - in other parts of the world, like say GREECE or South America, those people protest absolutely everything. |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
Maybe I missed something in that article but I don't see a connection between the protesting and the decision the CRTC made. |
+1 same
Orko pls clarify
| quote: | Originally posted by Nick Cenik
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are you a parrot? if you have nothing to say of your own, pls stop repeating stuff without adding anything of your own.
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
It was mainly due to people protesting in the Middle East that changed the regimes. |
because people from those societies have valid and much more important issues to protest about - and they should!
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
That's because in the grand scheme of things North Americans don't have anything truly worthy of protesting. |
exactly!
oh and about Anonymous:
| quote: | The Twittersphere was abuzz Wednesday with suggestions that the activist hacker collective Anonymous had followed through on a threat to remove the City of Toronto’s internet presence.
But almost as soon as the Tweets went up, the website was also back up, with city officials calling it a glitch.
“The brief web disruption was the result of normal routine maintenance by the city,” spokeswoman Francine Antonio Forte said.
It was the second time in two days that residents jumped to conclusions about Anonymous, after someone purporting to represent the group threatened to take down the city’s website if officials interfered with the ongoing Occupy Toronto movement at St. James Park. Bylaw officers did just that on Tuesday, issuing eviction notices to all protesters camped out in the downtown park.
At a general assembly meeting Tuesday afternoon, one member reported that Anonymous had successfully taken down the city’s website, prompting the group to erupt in spontaneous cheers — until another group member demonstrated on her smartphone that toronto.ca was still active. |
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| LightsOut |
| It's not a municipal law, its a by-law. The supreme court trumps all. |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by LightsOut
It's not a municipal law, its a by-law. The supreme court trumps all. |
This seems like a really dumb question, but what is the difference? A by law was put into place by elected officials acting in the interests of the local residents, no? Supreme Court judges are not publicly elected, so I don't see how they can just go overruling things that are already in place and being enforced.
Is this a matter of Charter of Rights and Freedoms > everything else?
And is it true that the people are allowed to stay but their tents etc are not? |
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| Prometheus Xex |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
... It's a public space for assembly - but it's not a campground.
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Agreed. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
Protests work:
CRTC offers compromise on usage-based billing
It was an online protest, represented by a petition, but it worked.
I have started to realise this much more from watching other countries around the world. Canadian's need more passion; we need to take more risks, especially mentally.
Next up, Omnibus. Shut that down. |
Great example. I'm sure if we actually look we can find plenty of example.
I also agree with your comment about the Canadians not having passion. I believe the reason most of the population here not caring and sleeping and is because the issues around the world today hasn't really hit home yet and they have the whole attitude of "well none of this concerns me so why bother". |
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