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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
funny how the ones arguing with me in this thread have fizzled out as well :) hate to be one to say "told ya so!" |
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| jon jon |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
funny how the ones arguing with me in this thread have fizzled out as well :) hate to be one to say "told ya so!" |
omg! lol!!
u go girl! |
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| The Highroller |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
funny how the ones arguing with me in this thread have fizzled out as well :) hate to be one to say "told ya so!" |
Just because people lose interest, doesn't mean you have won the argument. |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by The Highroller
Just because people lose interest, doesn't mean you have won the argument. |
mhm :) |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Endlesswave
Right, there were no laws to begin with except for those that said "There will continue to be no regulation for derivatives". |
no law said anything of the sort. greenspan (and others) pushed to prevent legislation on derivatives. and not because they were bought off by bankers either, but because greenspan's ideology opposed regulation wherever it could. |
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| WittyHandle |
| quote: | Originally posted by jester
Burlington, Vt had a shooting :haha: |
That's where I live.
A veteran with a history of mental illness shot himself and died.
You really are a douchebag Jes :) |
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| Endlesswave |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
no law said anything of the sort. greenspan (and others) pushed to prevent legislation on derivatives. and not because they were bought off by bankers either, but because greenspan's ideology opposed regulation wherever it could. |
Fair enough about the laws. It was just purely unregulated in terms of derivatives but in terms of pushback the ones that tried to enact action against it they failed miserably from what I understand.
With Greenspan and the banking industry ideologies not meshing, how are they not one and the same (in terms of that way of thinking at the time??) Greenspan helped Reagan deregulate, and the industry wants nothing but deregulation ie more profit at the expense of everyone else...
From what I understand things were fairly close. If ideologies are parallel (ie 99% ageement) but not in total agreement I fail to see how that equates to it all being completely diffent.
GGM help me out man! lol |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Endlesswave
Fair enough about the laws. It was just purely unregulated in terms of derivatives but in terms of pushback the ones that tried to enact action against it they failed miserably from what I understand. |
indeed, huge failure. this is a really good examination of the CFTC's efforts (and ultimate failure) before the crisis:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/warning/view/
| quote: | Originally posted by Endlesswave
With Greenspan and the banking industry ideologies not meshing, how are they not one and the same (in terms of that way of thinking at the time??) Greenspan helped Reagan deregulate, and the industry wants nothing but deregulation ie more profit at the expense of everyone else... |
well, i definitely don't discount the banking industry's influence on policy (they're arguably the most powerful lobbyists in the world), i just think that deregulation (or no regulation) would have occurred regardless, simply because of greenspan's ideological position on governance versus free markets. i dont think he opposed regulation because he was in bed with the banks, he just opposed regulation wherever possible.
| quote: | Originally posted by Endlesswave
From what I understand things were fairly close. If ideologies are parallel (ie 99% ageement) but not in total agreement I fail to see how that equates to it all being completely diffent. |
as far as final outcomes go they're probably not too different at all. but i think if we're trying to be accurate it is important to appreciate the difference between free-marketeers in government playing their de-regulation tune, versus banks controlling Fed/Govt policy by virtue of their lobby power. Not doubting the possible role of the latter, but i think the former is what was mostly at play with the GFC. |
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| GGM |
Hard to really say why they do what they do without knowing the people personally but the pro deregulation type definitely do exist outside of the people being pressured to do so.
Banks are big lobbyists right up there with oil and pharma, but with the revolving door that exists between financial institutions and government regulation bodies they don't really even need to be lobbied. These people will go from an executive job at something a bank or investment firm right over to the government and eventually back again. So would you really need to lobby someone that held the banks priorities first for X amount of years and shared their line of thinking? In theory it might be possible to switch from a bank's point of view to one in favour of the general public when you change jobs. But in reality, it's not likely to happen. It's hard to come by top level economists that haven't held investment related positions at one point or another and I really don't know of an easy solution to this problem. But it's definitely a big piece of why the States is so pro-capitalism and deregulation. Obama's move of limitting how a lobbyist can go work for the government was a step in the right direction but really didn't address the issue that exists on the financial side of things. |
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| jester |
| quote: | Originally posted by WittyHandle
That's where I live.
A veteran with a history of mental illness shot himself and died.
You really are a douchebag Jes :) |
When the news came out, there was no news about who he was. All I can say is Canada and the US should do its part to help the men/women it sends into conflict zones. One thing that intrigues me about Vermont, is that they can be friendly, have universal health care and no gun regulation (Pro guns). Yet here in Canada we are friendly, have universal health care and want gun regulation (Against guns).
Douchebag I can work with :haha: |
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| FunkyCrew |
Occupy movement hits the skids thanks to guns, drugs and urine
| quote: | The Summer of Love, 2011 version, isn’t coming to a happy end, it would seem.
Occupy Wall Street, and its various offshoots, was meant to spread the message of fairness, co-operation, social equality, environmental responsibility and the elimination of greed, particularly the corporate variety. I’m not sure what living in tents was supposed to signify, but presumably some sort of Woodstockian back-to-the-land, in which peace, love, harmony and spiritual revival are achieved via rejection of the crass materialism of the modern world.
It doesn’t appear to be working out.
Burlington, Vermont: The city closed half of City Hall Park and put a halt to all camping at the Occupy Burlington site Thursday night while police investigate a shooting in a tent that cost a 35-year-old man his life. Meanwhile, the movement’s participants mourned a member of their community and planned the future of the encampment.
Just a day after the joyful spontaneity of a Gogol Bordello performance Wednesday night at City Hall Park, Thursday’s shooting that police believe may have been self-inflicted spiraled into a tense confrontation between Burlington police and some protesters over access to the park.
Oakland, California: A man was shot to death on Thursday near a downtown Oakland plaza where hundreds of anti-Wall Street activists have camped out for a month, stoking renewed calls by some city officials to evict the protesters.
A preliminary investigation into the gunfire suggests it resulted from a fight between two groups of men at or near the Occupy Oakland camp on a plaza in front of City Hall, police Chief Howard Jordan said.
Investigators do not yet know if the men in the fight were associated with Occupy Oakland, but they are looking into reports that some protest participants tried to break up the altercation, Jordan added. It was the city’s 101st homicide this year.
Oakland, California: Police arrested more than 100 demonstrators early on Thursday in clashes that activists and Oakland city officials alike blamed on agitators who provoked unrest following a day of mostly peaceful rallies against economic inequality.
New Orleans: A 53-year-old man was found dead Tuesday inside a tent pitched at the Occupy New Orleans encampment at Duncan Plaza across from City Hall. He appears to have been living in the tent inside the occupation zone, said John Gagliano, chief investigator for the Orleans Parish Coroner’s Office. The man appears to have been dead for at least two days, Gagliano said.
Victoria, B.C.: An Occupy Victoria protester who has moved his demonstration into a tree is being accused of pouring a two-litre bottle of urine onto the head of a city worker. Lyle Barrette climbed into a homemade hammock atop the tree near Centennial Square on Monday, claiming that he had enough food and supplies to last 50 days.
Barrette allegedly dumped the bottle of urine Tuesday morning as a city worker was hoisted in a bucket to remove the protester’s bicycle, which was dangling from a branch and had been declared a safety hazard.
The liquid splashed the worker’s face, head and upper body. Barrette claims the substance was apple juice, not urine.
Toronto, Ont. : There are signs of growing tension between Occupy Toronto protesters and residents and business owners near the encampment in St. James Park. Things reached a boiling point Thursday outside a business overlooking the park at King Street East and Church Street, where protesters have been camping since Oct. 15.
Residents and business owners discussed the camp at a meeting, which also drew some Occupy Toronto protesters. “I don’t want you there, you’re ruining the neighbourhood,” one resident shouted.
“I’m telling you that I live upstairs and I can’t sleep because you guys are so loud,” another said.
Patrick McMurray, owner of the Starfish Oyster Bed and Grill on Adelaide Street East, said local business owners have seen a sharp drop in revenue since protesters moved in. “There’s fire’s going on, there’s open drugs and drinking, they’re living in a park, which I believe is illegal,” he told CBC News. “You’re allowed to protest any time you want to, you just can’t live in a park.”
It’s all well and good to preach self-righteously about greed and the failings if society, but guns, drugs, all-night drumming and urine baths don’t seem to strike many as a reliable alternative to the status quo, flawed as it may be. |
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| WittyHandle |
| quote: | Originally posted by jester
When the news came out, there was no news about who he was. All I can say is Canada and the US should do its part to help the men/women it sends into conflict zones. One thing that intrigues me about Vermont, is that they can be friendly, have universal health care and no gun regulation (Pro guns). Yet here in Canada we are friendly, have universal health care and want gun regulation (Against guns).
Douchebag I can work with :haha: |
Then please don't post a :haha: before you know what happened, especially given what it turned out to be. I agree with you completely about supporting troops when they return. The mayor of Burlington stated after the event that "Vermont needs to take a look at our gun policy". It's obviously a huge issue here in the States. |
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