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Occupy Toronto (pg. 4)
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| Elendil |
| Bleh, if anyone is likely to miss the message, it would be CP 24. Save yourself from their tyranny first, Matty ;) |
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| Iwasthere |
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| LightsOut |
I just think this protest is really not applicable here.
Do 99% of Canadians really think the government is ing them? I think not.
Look at the rest of the world. Millions are starving in Africa, hundreds of millions work for less then $10 a day in Asia, adequate and affordable education and health care are non existent in many South American, African and Asian countries. These people would love nothing more then to come to Canada and have the same opportunities we have. |
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| Elendil |
| quote: | Originally posted by LightsOut
I just think this protest is really not applicable here.
Do 99% of Canadians really think the government is ing them? I think not.
Look at the rest of the world. Millions are starving in Africa, hundreds of millions work for less then $10 a day in Asia, adequate and affordable education and health care are non existent in many South American, African and Asian countries. These people would love nothing more then to come to Canada and have the same opportunities we have. |
I feel you man. Not to say it isn't important to strive for higher heights, but ultimately I think the need for mass demonstrations is definitely less here then elsewhere.
I can't help but be reminded of the mobb of ye olde England - people gathering for the carnival of it all - with the ever-present risk of spontaneous violence, derailing anything of value. |
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| Jayx1 |
Most of these people seem to be asking for socialism. The ones interviewed have even admitted this. What this and the "tax the rich" message says to me is that these people want money given to them from someone else so they don't have to work, or work as hard, or be creative in how to make a living.
Yes there are problems. BIG problems.
What they should be asking for are these:
"Cut payroll taxes so that it is easier for someone to hire me"
"Cut bureaucracy so that it is easier for me to start my own small business"
"If you don't like making bankers rich, tell your government to stop borrowing from them to pay for your social services"
"Capitalism made us prosperous, Corporate bailout socialism made us poor"
"Stop trading with manipulative countries like China until they play by the same rules as the rest of the world"
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| jon jon |
| quote: | Originally posted by LightsOut
I watched a bit of it yesterday on CP24 and I really just don't get it. |
lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| quote: | Originally posted by LightsOut
Do 99% of Canadians really think the government is ing them? I think not. |
if you think that's what the 99% refers to, then you definitely "don't get it"... one suggestion I have may be to venture outside of watching CP24 |
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| jon jon |
| quote: | Originally posted by Elendil
Again though, my question: what exactly is it accomplishing?
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even if it only stands as a platform for people to share ideas, surely that's a positive??? |
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| jon jon |
| quote: | Originally posted by DeleteFromUsers
I think the lack of specific demands is a feature, not an omission.
The Occupy movement is requesting a fundamental change in how people treat people, in my opinion. Such broad concepts will have thousands or millions of answers and will take generations to accomplish.
Removing the fiction of innate alliances - political and religious borders, for instance. The realization that every person, regardless of race, religion, etc. has the right to be safe and healthy and educated. To understand that those who are successful are not successful solely on their own merits and hard work but rather that their success is largely a product of the society in which they have become successful and that very society has the right to participate in that success.
These are enormous ideas which apply to every human on the face of this planet. The burdens of past prejudice and tribalism will forever cripple humanity's evolution if we continue on our current path. We must change. |
totally agree with you |
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| jon jon |
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| Elendil |
| quote: | Originally posted by jon jon
even if it only stands as a platform for people to share ideas, surely that's a positive??? |
Hey man - I'm all for ideas, which is why I engage in discussions like this. However, in my eyes, it's an ultra-inefficient means for ideas to be discussed.
As for whether or not the platform for ideas found here is a positive: that is not so simple to address. For instance, popular ideas of the past - arrived at consensus by the mobb - have been anything but positive for the population at large. Where are the ideas coming from? Who's to say which will catch? I've yet to see a massive gathering of people taking action in a higher-consciousness manner. Hell, a massive gathering is lucky to supersede the intelligence of an animal. It's the nature of these things.
Here, as in many cases, I have to agree with Jayx1. |
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| LightsOut |
| quote: | Originally posted by jon jon
lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
if you think that's what the 99% refers to, then you definitely "don't get it"... one suggestion I have may be to venture outside of watching CP24 |
Then what does it refer to? I assume its referring to the 1% that have the so called "wealth", which is, in turn, what these people are against? Either way, by calling themselves the 99%, it makes it appear that they represent the beliefs and ideals of everyone that's not in the 1% (ie: the majority of the population), and that simply isn't the case.
I don't have a problem with the way Canada is run socially and economically as a whole. Like everyone, I wish certain aspects could be different, but I generally agree with the direction our country is going. Like I said, we're an economic leader right now. In regards to the things I dislike, I then vote accordingly. It seems like every 6 months we're having an election of some sort. I don't see how going to these protests and seeing them myself would change how I feel about our country. If I'm generally content with the direction our nation is going, why go to a protest with people who aren't? |
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| jon jon |
| quote: | Originally posted by Elendil
For instance, popular ideas of the past - arrived at consensus by the mobb - have been anything but positive for the population at large. |
like... the civil rights movement? |
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