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Occupy Toronto (pg. 37)
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| hardcore trancer |
YEAH SHUT DOWN THE PARK and throw all of them to jail!!:whip: Life is perfect here after all and Canada and people should just STFU and bend down and take it and dint say a word or criticize anything.:o |
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| feelgood |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
YEAH SHUT DOWN THE PARK and throw all of them to jail!!:whip: Life is perfect here after all and Canada and people should just STFU and bend down and take it and dint say a word or criticize anything.:o |
Or sit in a park and change the world with cardboard punchlines. |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by feelgood
Or sit in a park and change the world with cardboard punchlines. |
mhmm.
so what are YOU going to do about that? I'm all ears! |
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| GGM |
It's a globalized world at the moment and we have global issues which call for global protests. Aside from the issues going on here I think we're partially responsible for issues going on elsewhere, I see nothing wrong with protesting these things. One thing is for sure the people really getting the short end of the stick in places like Indonesia and China aren't even allowed to protest so us doing it partially on their behalf is a great thing.
On top of that over 80% of our trade is with the US. Just stop and think about that. If their economy goes to due to moves from the government, corps, rich etc then we are directly affected. Even a 10% drop in that trade would be devastating and followed by job losses and bankruptcies that would trickle down to all parts of the economy. Another big thing to consider is present day so many Canadian companies are owned by American ones. If that respective American one has to make cuts, where do you think they make them first? This isn't speculation and happened to many American owned Canadian organisations in 2008.
I really don't see a lack of reason to let this movement grow in Canada, only good things can come of it. The debatable part imo is to what degree that change will actually happen in the long run. If all we have to lose is some park space and a couple million in extra costs to the city, then why fight it? Keep in mind the 1 million estimated cost so far is 0.01% of the city's operating budget, just compare it to any of the costs sufferred by the G20/G8 deal.
The only people (not referring to people on here) I've talked with about this who are against the movement are people who've bought into the media's presentation of the matter without putting too much independent though of their own into it. Basically that these are a bunch of people too lazy to work who want a bigger piece of the pie but have no plan to get it. To each their own and everybody is entitled to an opinion but from my eyes as long as they remain peaceful/respectful I would let them continue for as long as they want to. |
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| Orko |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
mhmm.
so what are YOU going to do about that? I'm all ears! |
What I have done:
- reduced my spending on general crap.
- buy more locally grown food.
- shop at smaller stores, rather than large chains (when possible).
- talked to my MP/MPP about policies which I think are destructive, and based on US ways of doing things.
- educated my friends about financial systems, and helped them understand savings and budgeting.
- ran a small investment club, and steered friends away from risky investments.
- looking into options to get away from keeping my money with big banks.
- holding off from getting involved in the housing market, which I think is a giant bubble ready to burst in a couple of years.
Some of this, has been because of the protests, which helped change my mind. I do not make economic policy, so I cannot change the jobless situation on my own. What I can do is try and influence the people that set policy. This is what the protesters are really hoping to do, influence the people that are charged with making decisions.
It is like you pretending not to see the connection in this global economy. Canada has done pretty well to shelter its citizens from the storm, but by no means are we immune to the effects. |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
It is like you pretending not to see the connection in this global economy. Canada has done pretty well to shelter its citizens from the storm, but by no means are we immune to the effects. |
so are you aware of such economical turns as recession, and most importantly stagnation? |
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| GGM |
The capitalist model openly has bear (extreme ones are recessions) and bull markets built into it. The fact we have recessions, accept them, and fully know they will happen every 10-15 years is quite ridiculous when we haven't explored avenues that provide steady and consistant growth. This is stuff the movement supports, not just dealing with the affects of recessions better but getting rid of them altogether.
Again, their effectiveness in actually changing any of this is quite debatable. But even if there's a 0.0001% chance of it then they have my support as it's better than nothing. |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by GGM
The fact we have recessions, accept them, and fully know they will happen every 10-15 years is quite ridiculous |
why? |
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| feelgood |
| quote: | Originally posted by GGM
The capitalist model openly has bear (extreme ones are recessions) and bull markets built into it. The fact we have recessions, accept them, and fully know they will happen every 10-15 years is quite ridiculous when we haven't explored avenues that provide steady and consistant growth. This is stuff the movement supports, not just dealing with the affects of recessions better but getting rid of them altogether.
Again, their effectiveness in actually changing any of this is quite debatable. But even if there's a 0.0001% chance of it then they have my support as it's better than nothing. |
Those ebb and flow trends are a function of human nature. A recession is an auto correction that is necessary. The benefits that come from a boom cycle in terms of innovation, development and overall risk taking outweigh any of the possible benefits that would come from a heavily regulated market. |
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| feelgood |
| Additionally, I dont believe there is a formula for steady consistent growth. As long as humans have the desire to acquire more weatlh, there will be avenues to exploit and capitalize on. Somewhere somehow an investment group will take too big a risk, and there will be repercussions. If there was no risk, then there'd be no value. |
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| Nick Cenik |
| quote: | Originally posted by GGM
The fact we have recessions, accept them, and fully know they will happen every 10-15 years is quite ridiculous |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
why? |
Because they are an INTENDED and DELIBERATE result of the economic system in place. |
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