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Occupy Toronto (pg. 56)
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| Elendil |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
what we don't know is whether these police have been authorized prior to incident to use pepper spray. possibly, if these guys are specifically trained riot police |
Definitely could be the case, something I considered... however, even in that case, I think that individual discretion comes into play and - unless they were given a direct order "implement such and such a tactic", I'd still feel that same. If that order was given, I'd direct my complaint towards the issuer. |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by PivotTechno
Really? Figured you'd be too busy with OH&M. |
huh? |
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| jon jon |
http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/o...on-leave-151580
Occupy Wall Street Protests: Officers in pepper spray incident placed on leave
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San Francisco: A California university placed two of its police officers on administrative leave because of their involvement in the pepper spraying of passively sitting protesters, while the school's chancellor accelerated a task force's investigation into the incident amid calls for her resignation.
The president of the 10-campus University of California system also weighed in on the growing fallout from Friday's incident at UC Davis, saying that he is "appalled" at images of students being doused with pepper spray and plans a far-reaching, urgent assessment of law enforcement procedures on all campuses.
"I implore students who wish to demonstrate to do so in a peaceful and lawful fashion. I expect campus authorities to honor that right," UC President Mark G Yudof said. All 10 chancellors would convene soon for a discussion "about how to ensure proportional law enforcement response to non-violent protest," he said.
Officials at UC Davis refused to identify the two officers who were place on administrative leave but one was a veteran of many years on the force and the other "fairly new" to the department, the school's Police Chief Annette Spicuzza told The Associated Press. She would not elaborate further because of the pending probe.
Videos posted online of the incident clearly show one riot-gear clad officer dousing the line of protesters with spray as they sit in a line with their arms intertwined.
Spicuzza told the AP that the second officer was identified during an intense review of several videos.
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| PivotTechno |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
huh? |
exactly. |
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| Endlesswave |
I love the "please demonstrate in a peaceful manner" yet when they do so by sitting down they get pepper sprayed.
and those cartoons you posted, awesome.
Those of you who are seeing the uselessness of protesting or the way in which some people are turning violent, what do you expect people who've been affected by this to do?
Protest during daylight/regular hours (within the law) then go home regularly? Then repeat? |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by PivotTechno
exactly. |
you worry me sometimes. |
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| Spam |
| quote: | Originally posted by Endlesswave
Those of you who are seeing the uselessness of protesting or the way in which some people are turning violent, what do you expect people who've been affected by this to do? |
They could start by offering reasonable, attainable solutions to the problems they're protesting.
The entire movement reminds me of a child sitting at the table complaining to his parents that he doesn't want to eat his broccoli:
"I hate broccoli, it's gross!"
"Well what do you want to eat instead?"
"I HATE BROCCOLI!" |
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| jon jon |
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| Endlesswave |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spam
They could start by offering reasonable, attainable solutions to the problems they're protesting.
The entire movement reminds me of a child sitting at the table complaining to his parents that he doesn't want to eat his broccoli:
"I hate broccoli, it's gross!"
"Well what do you want to eat instead?"
"I HATE BROCCOLI!" |
Fair enough. Problem is it wont' be attainable. Apparently investors from wall st firms have hired lawyers and put a proposal against the occupy movement.
Unless the protestors do similar how can they compete with that? Unless they vote but the lobbyists and big money will always win.
Unless people get REALLY fed up about specifics like you were saying... |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Elendil
They are not adjudicators with a mandate to distribute punishment for infractions of justice. That is the duty of judges, who decide punishment in a court of law. The job of the police is to keep the peace and protect the citizenry, detaining unlawful individuals to be presented before a judge. |
spraying pepper spray is in no way a "punishment" for an infraction of justice. the police are well within their authority to use pepper spray (or other tools) to encourage compliance with the law. that's all this was.
| quote: | Originally posted by Elendil
In this case, I cannot see how maintaining the peace required pepper spray to the face. |
argument from incredulity noted.
| quote: | Originally posted by Elendil
I'm not disagreeing with the fact that these individuals may have deserved to be arrested. I'm simply stating that the distribution of punishment, in essence on site adjudication, didn't seem to be justified given the nature of their "unlawful" behavior. Then again, having to move a couple steps around someone sitting on a park path is pretty frightening... |
as above; police don't punish. they enforce. |
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