Originally posted by The Highroller
About their lack of cohesion and clear demands, we must remember that these protests are in their early stages. Just because they lack a clear set of demands, doesn't mean that the protests have any less legitimacy nor does it mean that they will have less potential for impact.
People are being too quick to dismiss these protests for this reason.
21st century attention span is too short. If you want to get your point across via usage of media, gotta do it early.
Should be interesting to see just how much public interest (and therefore, the media) attention holds.
Elendil
You know, I'm a cynic. I'm extremely skeptical of things that come my way, as I believe you must be on the path of individuation. I hold a collection of shifting views (which I adapt regularly as new information flows inward). These views are certainly not universal - as almost nothing is.
However, let me say this. For anyone who is out there on sound pretext, attempting to spread a message of love and acceptance to your fellow human beings, and traveling with love your their heart, I salute you and give you my praise. Know that in my discourse, I am not speaking to you.
Whilst I feel that, for many, this is not primarily the case, I won't let that overshadow my appreciation for the former. Furthermore, I should emphasis that while I may not agree on the means, I don't seek to tear you down. I seek only to come to a higher understanding of it all. I probably should have prefaced my views in such a manner, alas - nothing in life is entirely as you'd wish.
Spam
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Originally posted by Skipper
I know, it was rhetorical.
I know, but I'm "that" guy.
Stilez
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Originally posted by jon jon
give me a break, the Occupy events took place everywhere on sat (I think I read over 80 countries participated)
Fair enough. The fact that nearly every person they interviewed, who I saw, attending the protest in Toronto seemed to be slightly confused as to what they were all there for didn't help I suppose.
Moral Hazard
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Originally posted by Skipper
They won't. Giving up consumerism would be far too of an inconvenience on their lives. Way easier to ask other people for the change.
Moreover... they are protesting corporate greed in hopes that it will result in a redistribution of wealth; not so those that live in squalor can have sufficient resources to live a reasonable life, but so that they (the protestors) can have more money to live in an even greater degree of luxury by buying more of those products that fuel corporate greed. It's absolute bull... they just want a discount on i-pads and X-boxes.
DeleteFromUsers
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Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Another great Chris Hedges interview.
Those who think this ain't real should start to poke around the media. Here's a good start:
Also, those who think the lack of a leader and of a definitive message is some kind of a flaw or oversight need to watch the excellent Chris Hedges interview.
The Highroller
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Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Moreover... they are protesting corporate greed in hopes that it will result in a redistribution of wealth; not so those that live in squalor can have sufficient resources to live a reasonable life, but so that they (the protestors) can have more money to live in an even greater degree of luxury by buying more of those products that fuel corporate greed. It's absolute bull... they just want a discount on i-pads and X-boxes.
This is just nonsense. How did you come to these conclusions? Do you know any of the protestors? Have you gone down there to talk to them? I highly doubt it.
Sure, there are probably some that are like this, but what you have said is a general assumption that is based on nothing, and is just plain wrong.
Moral Hazard
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Originally posted by The Highroller
This is just nonsense. How did you come to these conclusions? Do you know any of the protestors? Have you gone down there to talk to them? I highly doubt it.
Sure, there are probably some that are like this, but what you have said is a general assumption that is based on nothing, and is just plain wrong.
Is it really? Please enlighten me... what is the single identifiable goal of this protest? Moreover, what is the over arching goal... what is motivating all this?
StereoPrincess
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Originally posted by Skipper
I know, it was rhetorical.
i didn't take your comment as sarcastic at all.
i guess it's hard to understand how people would be desperate and angry enough to protest because they have been looking for a job for a year and nothing. 1 in 5 people in the Washington DC area is on food stamps. imagine that! they really truly don't have anything else to do. they are at the end of their rope. why is their plight marginalized compared to other protests in the past and it other countries?
it's almost like people are saying: "what you are poor? then get a job". if only it was that easy.
StereoPrincess
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Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Is it really? Please enlighten me... what is the single identifiable goal of this protest? Moreover, what is the over arching goal... what is motivating all this?
i really find it interesting why it's so hard to understand why Occupy Wall Street is happening.
From their own website:
"The participation of every person, and every organization, that has an interest in returning the US back into the hands of its individual citizens is required.
Our nation, our species and our world are in crisis. The US has an important role to play in the solution, but we can no longer afford to let corporate greed and corrupt politics set the policies of our nation.
We, the people of the United States of America, considering the crisis at hand, now reassert our sovereign control of our land.
Solidarity Forever!"
That's pretty concise to me.
ChemEnhanced
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Originally posted by StereoPrincess
i really find it interesting why it's so hard to understand why Occupy Wall Street is happening.
From their own website:
"The participation of every person, and every organization, that has an interest in returning the US back into the hands of its individual citizens is required.
Our nation, our species and our world are in crisis. The US has an important role to play in the solution, but we can no longer afford to let corporate greed and corrupt politics set the policies of our nation.
We, the people of the United States of America, considering the crisis at hand, now reassert our sovereign control of our land.
Solidarity Forever!"
That's pretty concise to me.
So how is roaming the streets of New York going to get the US back into the hands of individual citizens...and when has it ever been in the hands of individual citizens.
Moral Hazard
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Originally posted by StereoPrincess
i really find it interesting why it's so hard to understand why Occupy Wall Street is happening.
From their own website:
"The participation of every person, and every organization, that has an interest in returning the US back into the hands of its individual citizens is required.
Our nation, our species and our world are in crisis. The US has an important role to play in the solution, but we can no longer afford to let corporate greed and corrupt politics set the policies of our nation.
We, the people of the United States of America, considering the crisis at hand, now reassert our sovereign control of our land.
Solidarity Forever!"
That's pretty concise to me.
firt... we're talking about Toronto, not New York.
second... to what end? What do they intend to do different? How are we in crisis? Certainly, I'm quite comfortable, are you? Who do they prepose should set the polices? In what way do they believe that they represent "the 99%"? How do they believe we should best address the alleged problem of corporate greed? Which corporations, specifically... all?
