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| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
Dichio has never been a big scorer. He is more of a facilitator.
Most target man strikers don't score a lot of goals
Kinda Emile Heskey |
More of an enforcer. |
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| English Rachel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
But there are other things I'm worried and piss off about TFC/MLSE than this friendly |
True but the friendly is the topic in hand. They don't need some superclub to come here to raise the profile of TFC - the profile is already there. We need to be bringing in teams we can beat to encourage our players - well matched friendlies at NO EXTRA COST.
And WTF with temp grass - I am sure there is an underlying reason (ie to coax the city into giving us permanent grass) but come on, it's ing retarded. |
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| LightsOut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Endgame
Serioux is a rock at the back, and Brennan is generally solid, but he hurt himself halfway through the match, and with Wynne gone for international duty, there were some gaping holes.
Which is more than we can say for a lot of the team, but he doesn't even have the conditioning for it. He has one of his "calf leg strains" at the 75-80th minute of every game.
That being said, he does make his own chances. The reason why he gets those chances (however ineffective he might be at converting them) is because he creates them with hustle. But again, if he doesn't finish, it sure isn't worth a whole heck of a lot.
Its not Dichio's fault...its TERRIBLE tactics. The long balls constantly up to Dichio do NOT work. Its only when the team starts moving the ball on the ground is there any threat at all. Its frustrating to watch it time and time again.
This is pretty much one of your only points that I'll take a stand against. Velez is definitely in the upper echelon of players that we have available to us. I find myself applauding his efforts more times than not. He's (usually) consistent, but clearly had an off game last night.
Please give us a DP. FFS. |
We'll definatly be stronger with Wynne back, lets just home cummins keeps him at the back and doesn't try to play him in an attacking role wide right. Sure, his attacking abilities are one of his strengths, but let him do it from the back and focus on defending. God Bless Serioux, he's our rock.
I personally love the work ethic and determination Chad brings, if only everyone left it all out on the field like him, but watching him fail to finish time after time after time is getting too much for me lol His conditioning definatly hampers him late in games, but like you said his hustle and ability to create chances because of it is a massive positive in his game, but without finishing it really means jack
I agree about the tactics used with Dichio, they seem to think that just because he's playing as a central striker they have free reign to just knock the long ball up to him time and time, instead of playing it into his feet or letting him run onto something.....frustrating to say the least...
I may have been a little too hard on Velez on this one. TBH I was a little surprised when cummins started giving him starts, but for a period of 3-4 games he was actually quite solid. I was just super frustrated on Saturday with his performance, but lets face it he wasnt the only one, we collectively played like e. He was left totally exposed though on the Buddle goal, completely wrong side of the striker...hopefully he'll be back to his best next match. |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by English Rachel
True but the friendly is the topic in hand. They don't need some superclub to come here to raise the profile of TFC - the profile is already there. We need to be bringing in teams we can beat to encourage our players - well matched friendlies at NO EXTRA COST. |
Raising of the profile is for non TFC supporters but Euro team supporters that still make up a large of footy population in GTA. Getting teams like River and RM does make Euro snobs take notice of TFC
Other teams in MLS are scrambling to attract top Euro teams like Chelski, Barca, RM, etc. It's not just us. It also raises the profile of the league as well too
And if TFC is to play friendlies, I want to go against the best opposition available. You don't get better by playing teams like Aston Villa, Independiente.
Lastly, people shell out stupid money for one time spectacles. I won't be going to this game, but I'm going to bet enough people will show up.
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And WTF with temp grass - I am sure there is an underlying reason (ie to coax the city into giving us permanent grass) but come on, it's ing retarded. |
I believe RM stipulated grass as part of this friendly deal |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by LightsOut
I agree about the tactics used with Dichio, they seem to think that just because he's playing as a central striker they have free reign to just knock the long ball up to him time and time, instead of playing it into his feet or letting him run onto something.....frustrating to say the least... |
The long ball to Dichio only works if midfielders make supporting runs to space where Dichio can make flick or short one touch pass to. It worked great Season 1 and 2, but not so effective this season
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I may have been a little too hard on Velez on this one. TBH I was a little surprised when cummins started giving him starts, but for a period of 3-4 games he was actually quite solid. I was just super frustrated on Saturday with his performance, but lets face it he wasnt the only one, we collectively played like e. He was left totally exposed though on the Buddle goal, completely wrong side of the striker...hopefully he'll be back to his best next match. |
Wynne gone until July I think. Brennan and Attakora injured.
Velez better step up big time or else TFC is in big trouble.
I do want to see this Gomez kid. He looks hungry for a chance to shine. |
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| LightsOut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
Raising of the profile is for non TFC supporters but Euro team supporters that still make up a large of footy population in GTA. Getting teams like River and RM does make Euro snobs take notice of TFC |
Let's face it, we're one of the best supported teams in the league and will continue to be indefinitely, we've sold out every home game since our inaugural opening day. Really, who cares about getting the euro elitists to BMO for one match, its not going to make a difference.
| quote: | | Other teams in MLS are scrambling to attract top Euro teams like Chelski, Barca, RM, etc. It's not just us. It also raises the profile of the league as well too |
Other teams are scrambeling because their markets are different than Toronto. Why should we scramble? Sure maybe if Dallas get a high profile friendly like Chelsea or Barca or Milan etc they'll gain more exposure for their club in the process. This makes sense for them because Dallas, and the vast majority of MLS clubs are in dire need of attracting new supporters and raising their profile (6000 attendance when we played them earlier in the year), Toronto is not in the same boat. It should completely be about us.
| quote: | | And if TFC is to play friendlies, I want to go against the best opposition available. You don't get better by playing teams like Aston Villa, Independiente. |
Really? Villa finished 6th in the EPL last campaign and qualified for the Uefa Cup, they are indeed quality opposition to say the least. Additionally, I'm sure they would command a significantly lower price to come play here, field a stronger side, not demand grass, and still spank us 6-0. Madrid will come here, field the weakest side available to them, make a ridiculous amount of money, and beat us soundly as well. The best opposition available? We can't even beat USL teams right now, baby steps. And to put things into perspective, MLS All-Stars are playing Everton for sakes. Arguably of the same standards of Villa, why should we demand better? at a considerable higher expense...
| quote: | | Lastly, people shell out stupid money for one time spectacles. I won't be going to this game, but I'm going to bet enough people will show up. |
It will sell out for sure, but the vast majority of supporters club members will likely pass on their tickets, or hock them off on craigslist/ebay for profit, that should say enough right their. But at the same point, if we were playing say Villa, Werder, PSV, or some other well respected and establish opponent not of the same magnitude of the Madrids or Chelsea's - and tickets were a reasonable $40 a pop - I'm sure the supporters groups would be all over it, I know I would, so long as the scheduling made sense.
| quote: | | I believe RM stipulated grass as part of this friendly deal |
This is true, can't blame them in the slightest... |
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| LightsOut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
I do want to see this Gomez kid. He looks hungry for a chance to shine. |
Agreed, he looked quite lively for the 10 mins or so he got on the weekend...
Looking forward to White being fit as well, he's been hyped so much i just hope its not all for nothing. If he can turn out to be the consistent striker we've been looking for than at least that's one less headache lol he's still a couple weeks away though from full training and probably wont be 100% for another couple weeks after that at least...:(
ps loving the liveliness of this thread today! |
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| English Rachel |
We should keep it alive, RPB is too hectic for me to deal with, would much rather chat about TFC here :)
Sol Campbell and Jamie Smith - discuss. |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by LightsOut
Let's face it, we're one of the best supported teams in the league and will continue to be indefinitely, we've sold out every home game since our inaugural opening day. Really, who cares about getting the euro elitists to BMO for one match, its not going to make a difference. |
outside the core number, how many people support TFC among football fans in Canada? it's expanding the market
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Other markets are different than Toronto though. Sure maybe if Dallas get a high profile friendly like Chelsea or Barca or Milan etc they'll gain more exposure for their club in the process. This makes sense for them because Dallas, and the vast majority of MLS clubs are in dire need of attracting new supporters and raising their profile (6000 attendance when we played them earlier in the year), Toronto is not in the same boat. It should completely be about us.
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Ah. I'm all for helping the league grow, even if it's at short term disadvantage for us. Eventually, long term growth of the league will benefit TFC too.
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Really? Villa finished 6th in the EPL last campaign and qualified for the Uefa Cup, they are indeed quality opposition to say the least. Additionally, I'm sure they would command a significantly lower price to come play here, field a stronger side, not demand grass, and still spank us 6-0. Madrid will come here, field the weakest side available to them, make a ridiculous amount of money, and beat us soundly as well. The best opposition available? We can't even beat USL teams right now, baby steps. And to put things into perspective, MLS All-Stars are playing Everton for sakes. Arguably of the same standards of Villa, why should we demand better? at a considerable higher expense... |
RM was coming to NA, and they were available.
Villa did play TFC in Season 1. 4-3 loss IIRC (and Ronnie O'Brien was injured for the rest of the year, killing TFC's season pretty much)
I think even getting spanked by RM 5-0 will teach more valuable lesson than beating an USL team 1-0. But that's just me
RM, from my readings, field a decent squad for their friendlies. And you'd think in the contract, it would be stipulated that some of their star players play in friendlies.
And it's not just a meaningless friendly to RM. They have to prepare for the opening of La Liga season |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by English Rachel
We should keep it alive, RPB is too hectic for me to deal with, would much rather chat about TFC here :)
Sol Campbell and Jamie Smith - discuss. |
Sol Campbell... I'll believe when I see him in Reds jersey in the field. So far, very minor rumour.
Lots of players linked to MLS (Kanu for example) but nothing really concrete yet
Jamie Smith. I haven't heard anything official yet |
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| LightsOut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
Jamie Smith. I haven't heard anything official yet |
I would love for this to go through |
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| LightsOut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
outside the core number, how many people support TFC among football fans in Canada? it's expanding the market |
Why is it TFC's responsibility to establish the football market in Canada? Leave that to MLS and the CSA. Toronto FC has enough support as it is, and support and market share is not where our problems lie and should not be priorities. We're the only truely professional franchise in Canada at the moment, any Canadian thats into football is aware of us. If anything, all this friendly will do is increase Real Madrids profile here, like they even need it.
| quote: | | Ah. I'm all for helping the league grow, even if it's at short term disadvantage for us. Eventually, long term growth of the league will benefit TFC too. |
Sure, but at what expense to us. The league is not not growing because of TFC. In fact its the opposite, if all the teams in MLS were supported the way TFC is then it would be arguably the best league in the world outside of europe and south america. Should we sacrifice (playoffs, injuries, etc) for the benefit of MLS, when we're already the poster franchise of the league?
| quote: | | I think even getting spanked by RM 5-0 will teach more valuable lesson than beating an USL team 1-0. But that's just me |
Absolutely. But we're not playing friendlies again USL sides thanks god, although I wouldn't put it past front office lol
| quote: | | RM, from my readings, field a decent squad for their friendlies. And you'd think in the contract, it would be stipulated that some of their star players play in friendlies. |
This I agree with, I can see Kaka coming on for a half and even Robben and Van Nistelrooy starting...but they're going to give a half ass effort. I'm willing to bet their under 18's could easily beat us if they wanted lol
| quote: | | And it's not just a meaningless friendly to RM. They have to prepare for the opening of La Liga season |
In all honestly, lets be realistic here. Real Madrid are not going to gain anything from playing here other than making a quick buck and giving some of their lads a game under their belt. We're e in comparrison, no matter how well we play it's not going to be adequate competition in preparation of La Liga. It an easy run around for a million bucks, and as you said, they we were already in North America. It's meaningless to us though, as it faces us to shift attention away from the league and a play-off run and focus on a friendly. |
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