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Kosovo - Independent Coutry...WTF?!?! (pg. 27)
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| StereoPrincess |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
To answer that, French Canadian "traitors" were executed or squashed in the mid of the 19th century (Louis Riel and the Patriots uprising).
Bombing Vancouver or anything like that never happened, but an anglo mob actually destroyed the canadian parlimant in the 1840s when it was in Montreal, that was the latest and harshest thing of importance to ever happen in my opinion in english-french relations, the 70s incidents were nowhere near of that importance, a bunch of isolated 5 or 10 wackos wrecking havoc creating a mass hysteria in english canada which was blown out of proportions by the presence of the canadian army in our streets.
Thats a while go, actually Quebec-Canada relations set an example worldwide of behaved minority-majority relationship within a state. Catalonia in Spain followed what Quebec did in many aspect including a version of their own of bill 101.
There's absolutely no comparison between the massive happening in the kosovo/Serbia relations, nothing even close. |
yes, of course there were moments in Canadian history but seriously the animalistic violence in the Kosovo region is miles and miles above that and it modern times for crying out loud. No civilized nation is going through the same stuff. |
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| zokissima |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
yes, of course there were moments in Canadian history but seriously the animalistic violence in the Kosovo region is miles and miles above that and it modern times for crying out loud. No civilized nation is going through the same stuff. |
lol again way off context. You compare the history of a country that has existed less than 300 years to the history of civilized nations, and in this case, regions of contention that have existed for centuries before the very discovery of this continent. How the hell is that an objective comparison? Objectivity does not mean completely ignoring history. "History" in the context of this conversation is not something that happened a long time ago. It is merely a verb used to describe an ongoing series of events that have spanned centuries and that are now culminating in this event. What could you possibly hope to understand if you don't understand this simple fact? |
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| Xavier Moriarty |
| quote: | | The Canadian Embassy is in the same area, but was not targeted by the protesters, although a car parked nearby was burned. |
hey rabbitjokker, read this :
http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/In...867396-sun.html
spread some more lies now, will ya
zokkissisma i dont know why are you even trying anymore man. we're savages and animals for them and lets just leave it at that |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
This is wrong. Riel never represented French Canadian interests. He represented that of Metis. (not to mention he was a complete lunatic)
As for the Patriotes, some of them were involved in armed insurrection against the Crown. (but by no means I'm not sympathetic for some of their causes) |
Louis Riel and the Métis spoke french, thus being French Canadian (what else do you want to call them? French hindi hehe ;))
Patriots (grouped french and english) were opposed to the crown, a similar movement to the one in the states, whereas they succeeded and ours failed to detach from the British crown till after the second world war. |
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| hardcore_barbie |
the whole dispute is that years ago albanians started immigrated to Kosovo which is SERBIAN... so many of them went there that now 95% of the population is albanian... albanians are a different religion than serbains so this brings a lot of problems. serbians didnt like so many albanians in kosovo so disputes started. the UN was stopping these disputes. however a few days ago albanians residing in Kosovo decided to take over Kosovo && make it a separate country although it already IS part of a country. they started killing all serbains in the area.
thats like any nationality claiming Toronto && saying that its now a new country && killing everyone else. imagine that. it is the same thing when poland got partitioned by prussia russia && austria in 1700 && 1800 && was not a coutry (that was worse but still). that is what the problem is.
that they do not have a right to this. its not like a new country was BORN. it was taken brutally from another country.
now Bush is happy about all this turmoil in Europe because the more disputes within Europe the more power U.S. has. He is on the albanian side && made the UN be on their side as well instead of stopping the fighting by calling serbians hooligans. More Bush has business in all this because when the albanians who are muslims fight with the Serbs they leave israel alone. && its a fact that U.S. are silent "allies" with israel who have been fighting with the muslims for years. by being on the albanian side he has control over that country in a way as Kosovo will now be under the protection of the U.S. Bush can keep military or weapons in that country. its basically a little U.S. he can keep a close eye and control over anything thats going on. thats what his business is in all of this. |
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| StereoPrincess |
| quote: | Originally posted by zokissima
Again, you completely missed the point. True, you've stated the most obvious fallacy in the comparison. The point was brought up merely as a reference to why there is such an emotional outcry regarding this situation, and as stated by EvilTree for example, the first reaction to a separatist Quebec is that of anger.
*sigh* Anyways, I do not have the patience now to write a multi-page reply attempting to explain all the complexities of this situation. You've given your generalized (plz don't take this offensively) opinion and freely stated that you are not entirely familiar with the situation. I have, to the best of my ability, attempted to answer your questions, with enough background and some analogies to explain. At this point, you must have the ability to objectively understand and comprehend the last 500 or so years of history, otherwise there just is not a point in you continuing to comment. Or anyone else for that matter that is merely looking objectively at one situation, yet for all their objectivity fail to see the long and ever continuing events that have led up to it. |
If I missed the point than it's not only my dumbass self, but the way you express it that is a problem. Don't you think?
Maybe complexities are the problem here. If people would look at things from a general view then maybe none of this would be happening.
You may think I haven't added value to the discussion but even if I was able to clear my own head a little bit then it was valuable to someone (me). That's what people do, they generalize. Look at the big picture. You know, or at least that is what I am taught in school.
I understand that it sucks to be so closely involved in a wartorn area but you also have to understand that there are people out there that see things from the outside and see groups of people kill and hurt each other. What else are we supposed to think? Yes, big bad media is out to get everyone? Just like we have views of Chinese or Australians, or North Koreas we have views of the areas discussed. |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by zokissima
lol again way off context. You compare the history of a country that has existed less than 300 years
rant... |
so why did you compare them then:rolleyes:
There's no way to reason with you.:gsmile: |
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| StereoPrincess |
| quote: | Originally posted by zokissima
lol again way off context. You compare the history of a country that has existed less than 300 years to the history of civilized nations, and in this case, regions of contention that have existed for centuries before the very discovery of this continent. How the hell is that an objective comparison? Objectivity does not mean completely ignoring history. "History" in the context of this conversation is not something that happened a long time ago. It is merely a verb used to describe an ongoing series of events that have spanned centuries and that are now culminating in this event. What could you possibly hope to understand if you don't understand this simple fact? |
Just because Canada is less than 300 years old, doesn't mean that the people that came here had no history before that. Are you saying that England and France are only 300 years old too? Come on now.
No one wants to ignore history. That's how you better things for the future.
And yes, I understand the other meaning of history. |
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| Tb. |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
yes, of course there were moments in Canadian history but seriously the animalistic violence in the Kosovo region is miles and miles above that and it modern times for crying out loud. No civilized nation is going through the same stuff. |
I guess your true views on the matter are starting to come out. Your so called civilized nations are sustained by the conflicts in the "uncivilized" ones. |
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| jsibilin |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore_barbie
the whole dispute is that years ago albanians started immigrated to Kosovo which is SERBIAN... so many of them went there that now 95% of the population is albanian... albanians are a different religion than serbains so this brings a lot of problems. serbians didnt like so many albanians in kosovo so disputes started. the UN was stopping these disputes. however a few days ago albanians residing in Kosovo decided to take over Kosovo && make it a separate country although it already IS part of a country. they started killing all serbains in the area.
thats like any nationality claiming Toronto && saying that its now a new country && killing everyone else. imagine that. it is the same thing when poland got partitioned by prussia russia && austria in 1700 && 1800 && was not a coutry (that was worse but still). that is what the problem is.
that they do not have a right to this. its not like a new country was BORN. it was taken brutally from another country.
now Bush is happy about all this turmoil in Europe because the more disputes within Europe the more power U.S. has. He is on the albanian side && made the UN be on their side as well instead of stopping the fighting by calling serbians hooligans. More Bush has business in all this because when the albanians who are muslims fight with the Serbs they leave israel alone. && its a fact that U.S. are silent "allies" with israel who have been fighting with the muslims for years. by being on the albanian side he has control over that country in a way as Kosovo will now be under the protection of the U.S. Bush can keep military or weapons in that country. its basically a little U.S. he can keep a close eye and control over anything thats going on. thats what his business is in all of this. |
I completely agree here, and by the looks of Camp Bond-steel.. US is planning on controlling the whole region!! What i still don't get is why did Albanians immigrate to Kosovo in the first place?? |
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| StereoPrincess |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore_barbie
the whole dispute is that years ago albanians started immigrated to Kosovo which is SERBIAN... so many of them went there that now 95% of the population is albanian... albanians are a different religion than serbains so this brings a lot of problems. serbians didnt like so many albanians in kosovo so disputes started. the UN was stopping these disputes. however a few days ago albanians residing in Kosovo decided to take over Kosovo && make it a separate country although it already IS part of a country. they started killing all serbains in the area.
thats like any nationality claiming Toronto && saying that its now a new country && killing everyone else. imagine that. it is the same thing when poland got partitioned by prussia russia && austria in 1700 && 1800 && was not a coutry (that was worse but still). that is what the problem is.
that they do not have a right to this. its not like a new country was BORN. it was taken brutally from another country.
now Bush is happy about all this turmoil in Europe because the more disputes within Europe the more power U.S. has. He is on the albanian side && made the UN be on their side as well instead of stopping the fighting by calling serbians hooligans. More Bush has business in all this because when the albanians who are muslims fight with the Serbs they leave israel alone. && its a fact that U.S. are silent "allies" with israel who have been fighting with the muslims for years. by being on the albanian side he has control over that country in a way as Kosovo will now be under the protection of the U.S. Bush can keep military or weapons in that country. its basically a little U.S. he can keep a close eye and control over anything thats going on. thats what his business is in all of this. |
Thank you. This makes sense.
No bull summary of what is happening.
I now understand why Serbians are upset. lol. |
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