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Kosovo - Independent Coutry...WTF?!?! (pg. 46)
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| Xavier Moriarty |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
If you don't "speaka-da-Engleesh" I'm not going to bother... |
nice. first you call us (indirectly but i guess some of us get the point) savages, then you spread desinformation and then you make fun of me. do you think you're funny, doughnut boy ??? cause im not amused by you, not even a little bit.
ok. somebody said something about updating on the situation. this really warms my heart :
"STORY: Venezuela said on Thursday (February 21) it would not recognize
Kosovo as an independent republic.
President Hugo Chavez said the Balkan state's separation from Serbia
last week was a sign of U.S. interference.
Chavez, an outspoken critic of U.S. foreign policy, said Kosovo's
independence set a dangerous precedent.
"We don't recognise this so-called independence of Kosovo, we
don't recognise it, we protest against it because I don't know how there can
be countries that accept this, this is part of U.S. pressure, I don't know how
European nations accept this," said Chavez during a cabinet meeting.
Serbian protesters opposed to Washington's support for Kosovo's
independence broke in and started a fire at the U.S. embassy in Belgrade on
Thursday.
"We are making an appeal for this not to be recognized and that a
mechanism for a political dialogue is sought through the United Nations, the
European Union and that this step is taken back. Kosovo is part of Serbia,
recognized by history, geography, its culture, this cannot be accepted,"
Chavez said.
Venezuela joins several countries including China and Russia who have
opposed Kosovo's independence.
Chavez is close to Russia and China as a proponent of what he calls a
multipolar world."
much respect for hugo chavez, much, much respect !!
eviltree, i posted that video only because of the song. honestly i didnt even check out the video.
| quote: | | And the Queen on your bills and coins heads a nation that has seen way more brutality over it's history than you could ever imagine. |
ill say this only one more time. and ill be super nice about it. we are NOT talking about past. we are talking about that is going down right now. rape of a nation.
another update. from CANADA'S own Paul Williams :
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/1962
please, just take 5 minutes and read it. |
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| Cro_Addict |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kamka
BTW, I think she didn't call him an idiot, as you translated - she said "you're not normal", which we use back home in my country too to express our disbelief when we think that what our conversational partner is saying is ridiculous or does not make sense... I guess in terms of the Canadian conversational etiquette it might not seem proper, but I think it does not have the same degree of insult as calling someone an idiot... |
that is why i put it in quotations..lol
i couldn't find the right words to put it in...cuz "you're not normal" doesn't quite translate correctly.
Depending on tone...i think its on par with being called an idiot/moron..lol
anyway..
GDJE SU CEVAPI? |
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| DaRoZa |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
Nationalism is an emotional response, rarely logical one. Just look at people who followed fascism and ultranationalists. They all wave the flag too, and all the wrongs they've done are in the name of the fatherland or motherland. And so many people take up arms to defend a govt that is corrupt, and evil, all in the name of the fatherland.
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what a lot of people don't realize is that nationalism is a relatively NEW thing that never truly existed until the late 1700s. before the 1800s, just a few generations ago, countries like italy and germany were comprised of many tiny states, and there were no flags or shiver-inducing national anthems - and the world still turned.
it's not much different than organized religion - it's a concept easily spread and indoctrinated through the generations, and gives groups cohesion and what not, which works out great for the leaders that perpetuate it with propaganda or whatever.. and as history and this thread shows, causes a lot of friction and irrationality between groups. it's clear from this thread alone, that a strong ethnic identity is likely to influence which side of the dichotomy one chooses to cling to, whether we're talking about the balkans or arab/jew conflicts... let alone being the source of some of the most ignorant generalizations that have been said about specific groups here (not talking about RJ's post, his point flew over most heads it seems)
sure it's feels great to support your soccer team, wave a flag and take a rigid stance on political issues like this... but is supporting nationalism really worth all the people in life it excludes you from, and conflict it creates (from bloodshed, to bitching at each other on a forum)? arguing in circumstances like this thread with such pride just pisses other people off more.
i know it's hard to break free from being strongly nationalist when it's sadly the way the world works with powerful nationalist groups in conflict with one another - groups we were all placed inside or outside from the moment we were born... but i hope the world starts to grow out of it before my life is over.
any other radical anti-collectivist libertarians out there? :nervous: |
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| *TiEsTo*SuX* |
| quote: | Originally posted by Xavier Moriarty
up to date??
ja sam se vratio iz Srbije pre 4 meseca, bio sam dole 2. moja sestra e vratila pre mesec dana. ja iskreno nemam pojma o cemu bre ti pricas.
tebe mora da su MNOGO maltretirali kad si dole ziveo pa tako seres |
Don't even worry about him....there's nothing to discuss with such a person....don't waste your time..... |
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| English Rachel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Xavier Moriarty
ill say this only one more time. and ill be super nice about it. we are NOT talking about past. we are talking about that is going down right now. rape of a nation.
another update. from CANADA'S own Paul Williams :
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/1962
please, just take 5 minutes and read it. |
honestly, I am not trying to dumb down the pain you are feeling, not at all. But one of the recurring topics is the history of the area and so I am pointing out some history of the rest of the world...
| quote: | Total Human Losses
The total estimated human loss of life caused by World War II was roughly 72 million people. The civilian toll was around 47 million, including 20 million deaths due to war related famine and disease. The military toll was about 25 million, including the deaths of about 5 million prisoners of war in captivity. The Allies lost around 61 million people, and the Axis lost 11 million. |
http://www.answers.com/topic/world-war-ii-casualties
It is truly a sad time, I absolutely see that, but please, have some decorum.
Zoki, I read that and I vehemently disagree. It may have been over half a century ago but I assure you, what went on in WWII has yet to be topped in Kosovo. Not that I am dumbimg it down, I truly feel for all of you with families out there but you live in a safe country, celebrate that first. Please. |
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| *TiEsTo*SuX* |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tb.
you know what, i really wanted to involve you in the process of discussion regarding this topic since it is a complex matter thats been grossly misrepresented for a long time, but seems like your biases and racist undertones have foiled any attempts at having such a discussion
shame on you |
When a person feels like they have been defeated (like he has in this discussion), they turn the other way...which in this case means racial comments.... |
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| TheVrk |
| quote: | Originally posted by Xavier Moriarty
vrk, you're my boy and nothing will ever change that. i have nothing but respect for you and you know that. im just saying none of us ex-yu should EVER get into an argument about politics cause nobody will ever win. |
Thats exactly why i always say i don't argue, i discuss..and i know whats acceptable to say and what NOT to say
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pitaju li dalmatinke za mene ?? LOL |
LOL, when're you coming to find out??;)
A ja Zadranin nasao Zagrebcanku:p |
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| TheVrk |
| quote: | Originally posted by zokissima
Do I want an ideal solution where all injustices are forgotten, where everyone admits to their own mistakes (and I have repeated constantly in this thread that ALL sides made many mistakes) and moves on? Of course I do. But that is just not a realistic and will never happen.
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This is what i mentioned much earlier, about how there are certain types of ppl that will NEVER let tension in the Balkans cease.
To all the Canadians and whoever else NOT from the Balkans your intentions and ideals are great.
But you have to understand...the reality is, that the Balkans will NEVER be completely calm.
Theres too much history, too much anger, too much sorrow, and ppl here are FULL of passion that is hard for us from the West to grasp.
Unfortunately this passion surfaces most easily through hatred and animosity.
man, there's just not enuff LOVE |
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| Abercrombie |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kamka
Ahh Andy! You are mean :whip: (joke) |
I knew you'd read that! I sure hope you've seen both Hostel movies :) |
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| n!kola |
| kolumbo jebem te radoznala.... |
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| Abercrombie |
This thread needs more Cevapi
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| StereoPrincess |
I have a question.
When the Former Yugoslav Republic was separated into the different countries, why did Kosovo not get separated back at that time? It was all Albanians at that time also. As well as, Vojvodina. Who decided at that time that Kosovo would be part of Serbia? |
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