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Kosovo - Independent Coutry...WTF?!?! (pg. 28)
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| hardcore_barbie |
| quote: | Originally posted by jsibilin
I completely agree here, and by the looks of Camp Bond-steel.. US is planning on controlling the whole region!! What i still don't get is why did Albanians immigrate to Kosovo in the first place?? |
they immigrated for the same reason that we all did... because it was better in serbia! |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by zokissima
Going out and blatantly calling everyone in there, from all sides "savages" is a bit too much IMO. |
If you're going to quote me - do it accurately. I didn't say that EVERYONE was a savage. If you can't even get the facts straight as to what was written in this thread - how is anybody to expect you can get the historical or political facts straight? |
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| StereoPrincess |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tb.
I guess your true views on the matter are starting to come out. Your so called civilized nations are sustained by the conflicts in the "uncivilized" ones. |
I don't think it's right either.
And that's why these countries have to rise above and sort themselves out. |
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| zokissima |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
If I missed the point than it's not only my dumbass self, but the way you express it that is a problem. Don't you think?
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Actually, for the sake of those such as you, I urged others not to make this discussion into something it was not meant to be. You still apparently can't see that.
Do I need to overgeneralize everything for someone uninformed to understand it? No I don't think! I think that if you really care enough, or at all, you would take at least some steps to see whether even your own generalizations hold any merrit. I was not mentioning complexities, but kept all my comments fairly general. Hell, there are videos posted IN THIS VERY THREAD, that all you need to do is watch, and you may have some better idea.
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I understand that it sucks to be so closely involved in a wartorn area but you also have to understand that there are people out there that see things from the outside and see groups of people kill and hurt each other. What else are we supposed to think? Yes, big bad media is out to get everyone? Just like we have views of Chinese or Australians, or North Koreas we have views of the areas discussed. |
Actually, that was my point, that because you are in fact, by your own statement, looking at it from the outside, you do not in fact understand that it "sucks". And for the record, most western views of China, North Korea, Russia, hell most of the world, are just as flawed and misinformed. I have really attempted to keep it as general as possible. It simply cannot be generalized any further. If you don't get it, fair enough, you don't get it, but don't say you don't get it because of the complexities. That's a big part of really understanding anything, IMO.
EDIT: Never called you a dumbass, and never assumed as such. I hope your comments to hardcore_barbie are not sarcastic, as that is the point I was trying to demonstrate, without getting into historical precedent and without getting into too much detail :) |
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| hardcore_barbie |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
Thank you. This makes sense.
No bull summary of what is happening.
I now understand why Serbians are upset. lol. |
yea... but you said that this is not happening in any other country... maybe it isnt now... but the reason why russia spain and other countries are not supporting this craziness is because if they support it then why not let people within their own countries separate... so it might happen in other countries. once we let this happen once it can happen anywhere...
but i think you might have been referring to the violence... which is horrible! |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by zokissima
The issue faced by this thread, the one faced by Serbs now is not a matter of scrutiny of our culture. |
The issue here is just that!
Scrutinizing peoples who choose to kill each other in the most horrendous ways is VERY appropriate.
Maybe if more Balkans scrutinized themselves they'd put an end to the senseless brutality and accomplish their full potential.
YES - I am going to scrutinize the type of behavior that has gone on in the region for the last who-knows-how-many years. It is absolutely unacceptable!
It is beyond me how peoples of any country or region can stand by and let an active minority cause such destruction to themselves/by themselves. |
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| jsibilin |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore_barbie
they immigrated for the same reason that we all did... because it was better in serbia! |
if the serbs let the albanians in ,, i guess its their falt.. why would a strict orthodox catholic country allow Muslim Albanians in,, i don't get it..
why don't they become a republic.. or a united country? |
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| zokissima |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
so why did you compare them then:rolleyes:
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Go back and re-read it. She made the comparison to civilized countries and the fact that the events are not happening within these 'civilized' boundaries. I made, by my own statement, a hyphotetical comparison to hopefully draw a general reaction to what a separatist movement here would make people feel; that being one of anger.
I can in fact be reasoned with, but reasoning does not mean that I will blatantly agree with you, especially when you are not taking in the whole picture. But at this point, there isn't any use in continuing this train of thought :) |
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| Xavier Moriarty |
| quote: | Originally posted by jsibilin
if the serbs let the albanians in ,, i guess its their falt.. why would a strict orthodox catholic country allow Muslim Albanians in,, i don't get it..
why don't they become a republic.. or a united country? |
man, google it or go to wikipedia |
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| Shade |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore_barbie
now Bush is happy about all this turmoil in Europe because the more disputes within Europe the more power U.S. has. He is on the albanian side && made the UN be on their side as well instead of stopping the fighting by calling serbians hooligans. More Bush has business in all this because when the albanians who are muslims fight with the Serbs they leave israel alone. && its a fact that U.S. are silent "allies" with israel who have been fighting with the muslims for years. by being on the albanian side he has control over that country in a way as Kosovo will now be under the protection of the U.S. Bush can keep military or weapons in that country. its basically a little U.S. he can keep a close eye and control over anything thats going on. thats what his business is in all of this. |
The Albanian Muslims play a very minor role with anything remotely to do with Israel, and not every Muslim across the nations shares the same beliefs.
Perhaps the Bush administration is trying to gain control in the area, perhaps not - I don't know. But please don't tie in things that are entirely irrelevant as though it's all one big conspiracy theory. |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
Louis Riel and the Métis spoke french, thus being French Canadian (what else do you want to call them? French hindi hehe ;)) |
Not really. A lot of Metis, certainly Riel did not consider himself French Canadian. Only thing that Francophone Metis had in common with French Canada was the fact that some of them were Catholics (Riel wanted to set up his own version of the Catholic church actually) and that they spoke French.
Considering that there were anglophone Metis too and both groups of Metis wanted a Metis homeland which had nothing to do with Quebec.
So, the Metis were Metis... not french or english canadian. their own distinct cultural group in Canada.
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Patriots (grouped french and english) were opposed to the crown, a similar movement to the one in the states, whereas they succeeded and ours failed to detach from the British crown till after the second world war. |
yes I'm quite aware of the 1837 rebellions... |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tb.
I guess your true views on the matter are starting to come out. Your so called civilized nations are sustained by the conflicts in the "uncivilized" ones. |
You must certainly agree that there is a certain ethical code of humanity that people must expect each other to live up to if we are going to get anywhere in this world. |
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