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Kosovo - Independent Coutry...WTF?!?! (pg. 57)
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by zokissima
US steps into the internal affairs of foreign countries ONLY when there is a gain to be had, or when they have their own ends to serve, NOT where there is a genuine need for them to be there simply for the sake of humanitarian aid and international policing. |
Every country does this. Not just USA. |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by zokissima
lol man, you seem to want to argue just for the sake of arguing. We have already, pages ago, determined that this is happening RIGHT NOW. |
Right now, 10000 years ago, whatever.
Some people know no limits when pressing for historical claims, whatever that means.
If you want to talk about arbitrary border adjustments, why not Germany like I brought it up? |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by zokissima
Point of her argument was that the US steps into the internal affairs of foreign countries ONLY when there is a gain to be had, or when they have their own ends to serve, NOT where there is a genuine need for them to be there simply for the sake of humanitarian aid and international policing. |
$15 billion for AIDS relief in africa.......hmmmmm, yeah, very self serving. :rolleyes:
http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_8269956
also, maybe you can tell me how Kosovo, a land of about 2 million people (and only 4 billion in GDP), is important for the US. |
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| angrypole |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
Should Germany claim East Prussia and Silesia from Poland then? :o |
of course, and if it were up to me id give it back no questions asked. |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by angrypole
of course, and if it were up to me id give it back no questions asked. |
fair enough :) |
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| angrypole |
| quote: | Originally posted by jonnystel
Not at all. lol why would it..as a matter of fact its the first i hear about it LOL cuz its irrelevant to my life..and i go there usually twice a year and i never heard of that . but . even if i lived there.. i would be living in warsaw right in the middle away from that. so who cares |
If you are this uninformed and apathetic then why bother hitting your keyboard a few hundred times over it. If your main point is "I dont know and I dont care", well then your point is just about as useful to me as an on the sole of my foot isnt it? |
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| zokissima |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
Right now, 10000 years ago, whatever.
Some people know no limits when pressing for historical claims, whatever that means.
If you want to talk about arbitrary border adjustments, why not Germany like I brought it up? |
But that is exactly my point. This isn't an 'arbitrary border adjustment'. How would you react if Germany DID annex some territory surrounding it today?
I merely brought up "right now" to counter the previously posted historical irrelevancy. Fact of the matter is, this is an unlawful action being taken today, against international law, and nothing is being done about it, and people are confused as to why Serbs are upset over it. That's about as ing nutshell as it gets, isn't it? |
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| zokissima |
| quote: | Originally posted by jerZ07002
$15 billion for AIDS relief in africa.......hmmmmm, yeah, very self serving. :rolleyes:
http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_8269956
also, maybe you can tell me how Kosovo, a land of about 2 million people (and only 4 billion in GDP), is important for the US. |
Wow, $15 whole billion you say...as opposed to how many billion spent on policing and invading sovereign lands? Anyways, that's OT enough.
As for the second question, there is no short answer to it. Considering western, and particularily, US, expansionism after the close of WWII, considering the Balkans to be in a key geographic area, considering the numerous bases that were in the past proposed there...shall I continue? You speak as if the US only has interest in material resources that it can reap right now... |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by zokissima
But that is exactly my point. This isn't an 'arbitrary border adjustment'. How would you react if Germany DID annex some territory surrounding it today?
I merely brought up "right now" to counter the previously posted historical irrelevancy. Fact of the matter is, this is an unlawful action being taken today, against international law, and nothing is being done about it, and people are confused as to why Serbs are upset over it. That's about as ing nutshell as it gets, isn't it? |
Kosovo is a bit different when you put in rights of self determination and all that shijazz. More different than simple a country annexing another country's province.
But, we're going to be running around in circles again...
International law is irrelevant when there is no 'overlord' organization, or means to enforce the international law, and punish any violations.
Realpolitik... very interesting concept |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by zokissima
Wow, $15 whole billion you say...as opposed to how many billion spent on policing and invading sovereign lands? Anyways, that's OT enough. |
it's more than any other country is doing. personally, i would rather my government use that money for education in the US.
| quote: | Originally posted by zokissima
As for the second question, there is no short answer to it. Considering western, and particularily, US, expansionism after the close of WWII, considering the Balkans to be in a key geographic area, considering the numerous bases that were in the past proposed there...shall I continue? You speak as if the US only has interest in material resources that it can reap right now... |
i'm asking, i wasn't drawing any conclusions. i am, however, skeptical that Kosovo is important in any way to the US.
i would actually surmise that the only reason the US even cares is because we are being sympathetic to ethnic muslims, in hopes that the rest of the muslim words sees our sympathy. Seeing how that hasn't works, the US should avoid interfering in this situation. |
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| angrypole |
| I'm personally all for the US interfering wherever they can. As the hegemon, its their job. But the interferences have to follow some consistent policy in line with the promulgated statements of intention. If the global mission is a war on terrorists, then they should probably give Belgrade a few F15s, a marine division and some SCUDs and say 'go get those KLF ******s, yeehaw.' |
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| jonnystel |
| quote: | Originally posted by angrypole
If you are this uninformed and apathetic then why bother hitting your keyboard a few hundred times over it. If your main point is "I dont know and I dont care", well then your point is just about as useful to me as an on the sole of my foot isnt it? |
cuz its a discussion board idiot. and those are my opinions... and ... cuz i feel like it ! |
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