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Israel bombs Gaza...again. (pg. 19)
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| Xavier Moriarty |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
how am I a pro USA if I'm against both Israel and Palestine?
how am I a pro USA if I'm against war in Iraq? :conf:
US has been involved in all peace dialogue between Israel and Palestine, even to recent 07 talks held by Bush.
exactly what do you expect US to do? go in with guns blazing? |
peace talks???? goddamn, some good peace talks, bombing countries back to the stone age (thank god they didnt had balls to to against russia). why dont they send troops to uphold peace??
every single person with one gram of brains is against war in iraq so thats a no brainer (pun not intended).
and you're not against both palestine and israel, even a blind person can see that. |
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| gummybear |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
exactly what do you expect US to do? go in with guns blazing? |
i would expect them to strong arm Israel into complying with the dozens and dozens of UN resolutions...last time i checked the US was a part of the UN?
but..they'd much rather supply them with arms...:rolleyes:
and the US went into Iraq guns blazing for what again??? |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Xavier Moriarty
peace talks???? goddamn, some good peace talks, bombing countries back to the stone age (thank god they didnt had balls to to against russia). why dont they send troops to uphold peace?? |
couple of problems with that
1. there is no peace to uphold in Palestine
2. Peacekeepers are generally selected from countries seen as 'neutral'. Yanks are seen pro Israel, therefore not acceptable
3. Yanks arent welcome as peacekeepers in most parts of the world, let alone Palestine.
Muslim extremists would have a field day, if US ever sent troops to Palestine. (Lebanon in early 80s comes to mind)
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and you're not against both palestine and israel, even a blind person can see that. |
ah yes. I lie to myself all the time. bad habit really :rolleyes: |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by gummybear
i would expect them to strong arm Israel into complying with the dozens and dozens of UN resolutions...last time i checked the US was a part of the UN?
but..they'd much rather supply them with arms...:rolleyes: |
UN is worthless as instrument for world security of any kind.
what good would be to slap Israel with resolutions, if hamas will keep provoking Israel?
let's say US strongarms Israel into withdrawing from Gaza strip.
so next time Hamas flings a rocket into Israel, what do you expect US and Israel to do? |
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| Xavier Moriarty |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
couple of problems with that
1. there is no peace to uphold in Palestine
2. Peacekeepers are generally selected from countries seen as 'neutral'. Yanks are seen pro Israel, therefore not acceptable
3. Yanks arent welcome as peacekeepers in most parts of the world, let alone Palestine.
Muslim extremists would have a field day, if US ever sent troops to Palestine. (Lebanon in early 80s comes to mind)
ah yes. I lie to myself all the time. bad habit really :rolleyes: |
and all them 3 points stopped them from going to iraq? |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Xavier Moriarty
and all them 3 points stopped them from going to iraq? |
what does iraq have to do with israel-palestine conflict?
do you understand exactly what a peacekeeper is? |
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| Xavier Moriarty |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
what does iraq have to do with israel-palestine conflict? |
honestly, i dont know so ill say nothing. but :
1. there was no war to fight in iraq
2. peacekeepers are generally selected from countries seen as 'neutral'. yanks are seen anti iraqi, therefore not acceptable
3. Yanks arent welcome as peacekeepers in most parts of the world, let alone iraq
but that didnt stop them there. why should stop 'em here??
| quote: | let's say US strongarms Israel into withdrawing from Gaza strip.
so next time Hamas flings a rocket into Israel, what do you expect US and Israel to do? |
so they shouldnt even try??? thats a weak ass argument |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Xavier Moriarty
honestly, i dont know so ill say nothing. but :
1. there was no war to fight in iraq
2. peacekeepers are generally selected from countries seen as 'neutral'. yanks are seen anti iraqi, therefore not acceptable
3. Yanks arent welcome as peacekeepers in most parts of the world, let alone iraq
but that didnt stop them there. why should stop 'em here?? |
the reasons why yanks invaded iraq would be rather incomparable to yanks getting militarily involved in israeli palestinian conflict
there is no benefit to anyone really. it would only escalate the conflict even further
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so they shouldnt even try??? thats a weak ass argument |
it makes no sense to strong arm one side of the conflict, if the other side is not going to play ball |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by gummybear
the truth is, there are people in this world that do not feel a twinge of sadness when they see others being hurt and killed...they are too busy with their own lives...look at us..we live in a society and age where most people won't even help someone on the street..we look the other way...it's sad..
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The greatest flaw in humans is that we do feel for others that we really have no emotional attachment to other then they are also human. Its our inability to control these emotions that will be the eventual downfall of humans and the eventual destruction of an Earth that can support human life. |
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| gummybear |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
The greatest flaw in humans is that we do feel for others that we really have no emotional attachment to other then they are also human. Its our inability to control these emotions that will be the eventual downfall of humans and the eventual destruction of an Earth that can support human life. |
i totally disagree with you..
your theory would dictate that we should all just live in a bubble and only care about the people in our small circle...
i usually have no issue with your comments but i truly believe that what you are saying is the exact reason we are in the mess that we are in..people should care...they should give a ...any type of movement that has been born in our history has been derived from a culture of caring..
i don't know how spiritual you are..but we are all connected.....anyhow..that's a whole different thread..:) |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
The greatest flaw in humans is that we do feel for others that we really have no emotional attachment to other then they are also human. |
Ahhh, so close, so very close!
This is perhaps the greatest flaw in western society, coupled with the assumption that the ideal is an absolute rather than a cultural relative.
There have been many cultures and religions throughout history - not just this certain extreme sect of Islam - who have considered it good and honourable to die in battle (martyrdom). These people do not grieve or feel remorse for the dead, they celebrate it. We "enlightened" westerners are virtually incapable of seeing this as anything other than sadistic and perverse, so we naturally assume that no human being in any region or culture would be capable of such a mentality.
This isn't specific to one extreme sect of Islam - it's been a deeply-rooted belief for many cultures throughout history. Even in the west, we weren't always so sensitive to death. The typical American home used to have a parlour where dear old Dad would be dressed up in his best suit and hung on a coat rack for a week just to make sure that he was really, seriously, honest-to-goodness dead. Today, the idea of death or killing just freaks us out and most of us simply shut down all higher-order brain functions when confronted with the concept.
For such a mentality, it's not even an issue of "collateral damage" or "acceptable losses". When Israel retaliates by bombing the crap out of wherever, the resulting civilian casualties are seen by Hamas as part of a greater good. Their deaths had a purpose, and they will get the red-carpet treatment in heaven. These families aren't sad that various pieces of their 17-year-old sons are stuck to the walls and ceilings of a pizzeria any more than the typical Canadian family would be if their kids decided to go to law school.
The pieces fall into place very easily once you accept the cultural differences. Unfortunately, tolerant and open-minded as we claim to be, we just can't seem to accept that, which makes it all too easy to get taken in by theatrics. Almost everything said in this thread so far proves that. |
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| Death toll reaches well beyond 400 and the world sits by and watches this massacre continue. Where is the in outrage?I guess having a few dead Arabs aint so bad after all is it?:rolleyes: |
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