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Israel bombs Gaza...again. (pg. 25)
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| gummybear |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Xavier Moriarty
only justification is that israel is backed by both usa and un so they can do as they please.
ill bet you anything that cnn will cry murder when any of the arab countries strikes at israel (and its bound to happen) [/QUOTE
someone should stick up for the people of palestine..and i wouldn't blame any of the arab countries for striking israel at this point..but it's a very slippery slope and could have catastrophic consequences...
the concept i don't understand is....how is israel defending itself when they have only 4 casualties..and the other side is being bombed into oblivion? Why are they the defenders and the palestinians the aggressors?
maybe some of the scholars in this thread can explain it to me?:rolleyes: |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by gummybear
the concept i don't understand is....how is israel defending itself when they have only 4 casualties..and the other side is being bombed into oblivion? Why are they the defenders and the palestinians the aggressors?
maybe some of the scholars in this thread can explain it to me?:rolleyes: |
you think whoever suffers the least casualties is the aggressor? |
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| gummybear |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
you think whoever suffers the least casualties is the aggressor? |
yes, i believe the number of casualties indicates who the aggressor in this current situation is....it's a one sided war..if you say that Hamas broke the cease fire therefore becoming the aggressor..maybe you may want to read the following article..i don't believe it to be propaganda and written by a united nations special reporter..
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richa...a_b_154777.html
there really are some of us out there that just want the truth....;) |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by gummybear
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the concept i don't understand is....how is israel defending itself when they have only 4 casualties..and the other side is being bombed into oblivion? Why are they the defenders and the palestinians the aggressors?
maybe some of the scholars in this thread can explain it to me?:rolleyes: |
Israel's military response is unjustifiable.
having said that, I'm just as puzzled by the illogical behaviour of Hamas and Palestinian militants.
as you point out, the rocket attacks cause little damage and almost no injury or loss of life...so what's the point?
If Israel uses the attacks as 'justification' for its response and an ignorant public somehow equates the two behaviours by saying "well, if Hamas halts the rockets, Israel will halt its operations"...then isn't in Hamas' best interests to stop the attacks, not because others are demanding it, but because it is the beneficial thing to do for all Palestinians?
or are Hamas and the militants attempting to draw greater global attention to the underlying occupation by baiting Israel into this type of response (yet sacrificing its own people in the process)? |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by gummybear
yes, i believe the number of casualties indicates who the aggressor in this current situation is....it's a one sided war.. |
i'm trying to think abstractly here, without putting israel and hamas in it
i'm thinking, should it not be about who started this round of war in the first place? now both sides can use whatever justification to claim self defence, but if i feel that i'm being wronged and attacked, i really wouldnt care what the casualties numbers are (strictly speaking philosophically from self defence point of view, not how the war is being conducted)
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there really are some of us out there that just want the truth....;) |
please stop using cliche terms like this. it really makes pro palestinian (or for anyone for that matter using such cliches) like righteous bumpkins |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
Israel's military response is unjustifiable.
having said that, I'm just as puzzled by the illogical behaviour of Hamas and Palestinian militants.
as you point out, the rocket attacks cause little damage and almost no injury or loss of life...so what's the point?
If Israel uses the attacks as 'justification' for its response and an ignorant public somehow equates the two behaviours by saying "well, if Hamas halts the rockets, Israel will halt its operations"...then isn't in Hamas' best interests to stop the attacks, not because others are demanding it, but because it is the beneficial thing to do for all Palestinians?
or are Hamas and the militants attempting to draw greater global attention to the underlying occupation by baiting Israel into this type of response (yet sacrificing its own people in the process)? |
hamas needs israeli attacks on palestinians civvies for support. more israelis kill palestinians, more anger towards israel = support and money for hamas cause
remember. one of hamas's goal is destruction of israel. it needs hatred from palestinians against israel in order to achieve that goal (and stupid of israel for keep playing into hamas hands) |
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| gummybear |
i wasn't trying to use it as a cliche....
what i was getting at is...there are people who base their opinions according to what they see as the truth..and not some type of emotional attachment to one side or the other...
i provided a link to an article and wanted to let people know that i felt it was an article that rang true and not something people may consider propaganda...maybe if others in this thread weren't accused of doing such things, i wouldn't have felt the need to be defensive and point out that i was a seeker of facts..
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| gummybear |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
hamas needs israeli attacks on palestinians civvies for support. more israelis kill palestinians, more anger towards israel = support and money for hamas cause
remember. one of hamas's goal is destruction of israel. it needs hatred from palestinians against israel in order to achieve that goal (and stupid of israel for keep playing into hamas hands) |
did u even read the article i provided a link to..? is what you just said fact or how you feel? |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by gummybear
did u even read the article i provided a link to..? |
actually i did, as much as i find poor paragraphing hard to read.| quote: |
is what you just said fact or how you feel? |
based upon one fact, hamas is working towards destruction of israel. it says so on its charter
http://www.mideastweb.org/hamas.htm
the rest makes logical sense to me, and consistent with other terrorist movements requiring popular, grassroots support in order to succeed (IRA, Taliban, etc) same with resistance movements against Germans in WW2 |
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| hardcore trancer |
It is really laughable when I hear stuff like: "why does everyone hate Isreal?" are you in kidding me? they have no respect for humanity and dont care about the loss of innocent human lives.
We re talking about a country which has managed to isolate itself from the world because of its crimes and unjustified actions against the Palestinian people.
Isreal will always be hated and terrorism against them will never stop,untill they start doing things differntly and stop using illegal millitary force to achieve their goals.
This time I rally think is gonna hit the fan for them. |
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| gummybear |
i guess we can agree to disagree...
like i said many times before..we all have our own truths....you're entitled to your opinion...but no matter what side we are all on here at TOTA..i would hope that this community as a whole, is progressive enough to agree that human rights violations against any group of people around this world is unacceptable..
maybe that's wishful thinking.. |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
It is really laughable when I hear stuff like: "why does everyone hate Isreal?" are you in kidding me? they have no respect for humanity and dont care about the loss of innocent human lives.
We re talking about a country which has managed to isolate itself from the world because of its crimes and unjustified actions against the Palestinian people. |
Are you sure it's not because for some reason, a lot of Muslims think a Jewish state in middle of Dar-as-Islam (sp?) is repugnant?
it's one thing to have Jews living in Muslim lands where Muslims are the overlords, but co-existing? Or even, Muslims under Jewish overlordship?
Because I hardly doubt that 1967 and 1973 happened because Arab nations were pissed off at Israeli treatment of Palestinians
If you ask all the anti-Jewish Muslims, I'd be genuinely curious to know how many people would say they hate Israel because of how Palestinians get treated |
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