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Israel bombs Gaza...again. (pg. 45)
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| gummybear |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
or someone tell Hezbollah to f off |
this is a portion of an satirical article i read today on aljazeera..
"Or there’s the outrage that Hamas has been supported by Iran. Well that’s just breaking the rules. Because say what you will about the Israelis, they get no arms supplies or funding or political support from a country that’s more powerful than them, they just go their own way and make all their weapons in an arts and crafts workshop in Jerusalem."
link to full article..
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/artic...ain_about_.html |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by mikester69
UN halts Gaza aid shipments after Israeli attacks on its staff
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/...el_palestinians
"We've been co-ordinating with them (Israeli forces) and yet our staff continue to be hit and killed."
Well isn't that just great! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
I want to hear the in excuses from Israel over this.let me guess,"the terrorists were hiding inside the truck"?:rolleyes:
Israel doesnt give a about any laws or what the UN has to say.Yet they like to be respected by the international community somehow? off:rolleyes: |
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| Abercrombie |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
let me guess,"the terrorists were hiding inside the truck"?:rolleyes:
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Of course they will, what else did you expect?
Even though UN trucks have been used to transport weapons in the past by the Palestinian militants and cought on video, I am not going to jump to conclusions like you are. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by UmmiE
I will have to disagree because of the fact that....Just because the U.S says its stabalizing doesnt actually mean it is.......they have brought down the place 50 years back if not to stone age |
Brought them forward to the stone age, you mean? Seriously, you can't mean to suggest that Iraqis are worse off now than they were under Saddam. The fact of the matter is that insurgent violence is down; do you have evidence that contradicts these reports that doesn't come from Al-Jazeera or YouTube videos?
| quote: | | Even if the new govt stands up in there do you think these hardcore militants or hamas will be done...No because its not like a traditional army its a group of people fighting for a cause |
For once, I agree with you. Even if they kill every single Hamas member and leader, the name will not die, the cause will not die, and even if they do, some other cause or organization will take its place.
The only strategy that's ever worked in the past is not only eliminate the current regime but to support and enforce the regime change. If they can remove Hamas' stranglehold on the Palestinians and make way for moderates (which is what you all insist that "typical" Palestinians really are), then they can provide military support to the new government until its own security forces are strong enough to quash the terrorists themselves.
This may never happen. It certainly won't happen without a ground invasion, which would mean heavy Israeli casualties and massive international outcry from the usual suspects. The air strikes really just buy time, force Hamas to regroup and restock, give the Israeli people a few months of temporary relief.
Israel has terrorists too. Hell, every country has nutjobs; most countries just reign them in, and there have actually been several instances when Israeli terrorists trying to do something stupid like blow up the Dome of the Rock get busted by the IDF and thrown in prison. These stories don't appear much in our media but you can find them in Israeli media sometimes. The point is, when the government itself is the same organization that trains, arms, and directs the terrorists (sorry, "militants"), then there's no hope of good-faith negotiations. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by gummybear
"Or there’s the outrage that Hamas has been supported by Iran. [...]" |
Huh? Hamas is supported primarily by the Saudis (and armed primarily by the former USSR), first of all, and secondly, I don't think anyone is really "outraged" over this. It's simply mentioned as an important factor in the war because if there were a way to cut off their funding, the war would end quickly.
And third, come on, are you seriously posting articles from Al-Jazeera on here? |
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| gummybear |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Huh? Hamas is supported primarily by the Saudis (and armed primarily by the former USSR), first of all, and secondly, I don't think anyone is really "outraged" over this. It's simply mentioned as an important factor in the war because if there were a way to cut off their funding, the war would end quickly.
And third, come on, are you seriously posting articles from Al-Jazeera on here? |
sheesh..i was replying to yohan's comment about lebanon staying out of it..
it was a satirical article basically saying..why is israel allowed to be helped by bigger, stronger nations like the u.s but the mere thought that palestine may be helped out by lebanon is totally unacceptable..
why do you have to always complicate things..? |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by gummybear
it was a satirical article basically saying..why is israel allowed to be helped by bigger, stronger nations like the u.s but the mere thought that palestine may be helped out by lebanon is totally unacceptable.. |
And my response was that it's a red herring - nobody is saying that it's unacceptable. It's merely one more obstacle for Israel in this war.
Although it's worth pointing out that the USA is thousands of miles away from the conflict and therefore can't actually help fight the war or provide any useful tactical information (not that Israel needs it), and that the Americans aren't supplying cash or weapons to the extent that many pro-Palestinians seem to believe. Mainly they're a political ally. So if you really want to dwell on this topic, then yes, there are differences. |
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| gummybear |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
And my response was that it's a red herring - nobody is saying that it's unacceptable. It's merely one more obstacle for Israel in this war.
Although it's worth pointing out that the USA is thousands of miles away from the conflict and therefore can't actually help fight the war or provide any useful tactical information (not that Israel needs it), and that the Americans aren't supplying cash or weapons to the extent that many pro-Palestinians seem to believe. Mainly they're a political ally. So if you really want to dwell on this topic, then yes, there are differences. |
ok digi....you seem like a smart dude..but when it comes to this issue..you're just talking ..seriously..
http://www.democracynow.org/2006/7/21/u_s_arming_of_israel_how
i think you just make up your own reality.. |
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| DigiNut |
You haven't even posted a source this time, you've posted a link to somebody from a left-wing journal being interviewed by somebody from an even farther left-wing site who spews out a bunch of assertions and statistics without backing a single one of them up.
This counts as evidence in your eyes? Do you even attempt to look for any non-biased sources? So far you've only given us Al-Jazeera and Democracy Now.
Edit: Oh, and some stuff that some guys said at a Palestinian Rally. That's a credible source. |
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| UmmiE |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Americans aren't supplying cash or weapons to the extent that many pro-Palestinians seem to believe. Mainly they're a political ally. So if you really want to dwell on this topic, then yes, there are differences. |
LOL Digi dood this is sig worthy .......... Can I plz,If you dont mind? |
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| Dr. Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
And my response was that it's a red herring - nobody is saying that it's unacceptable. It's merely one more obstacle for Israel in this war.
Although it's worth pointing out that the USA is thousands of miles away from the conflict and therefore can't actually help fight the war or provide any useful tactical information (not that Israel needs it), and that the Americans aren't supplying cash or weapons to the extent that many pro-Palestinians seem to believe. Mainly they're a political ally. So if you really want to dwell on this topic, then yes, there are differences. |
I think you just dug your own hole. |
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| DigiNut |
Following the money ought to be pretty easy, especially where the U.S. is concerned. If you've got some evidence to present - excluding the unverified claims of some clearly-biased "expert" - then I'd be happy to take it at face value and concede the point if it seems justified.
The most rational course of action for any claim without evidence is skepticism. This is one of the few instances where there should be hard, unbiased, indisputable evidence if the claim is true. Show me that, and you won't get any further argument. |
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