Originally posted by Xavier Moriarty
you sure about that???
lets wait and see what will usa do when somebody strikes at israel(and we all know it will happen, and fast). somebody who actually can do some serious damage.
you really think arab countries will wait much longer??
That plus :-
Lets assume even if they(Israel) end up taking control of the whole area....what will happen next?I think it will end up being another iraq or afghanistan where there will be non stop bomb explosions pretty much every other day because of all this hate that is within the hearts of people.....soldier will be attacked on daily basis you will hear that two soldiers died today a day later another three died because of a road side bomb.....You think these people will ever live together now after seeing all his bloodshed?
Plus Plus Plus:-
Did anyone notice how nicely this whole attack was timed just in time when Bush is leaving and Obama is coming into the white house so that all the blame game gets shifted onto him??????
Dr. Z
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Originally posted by gummybear
are you for real?
You live in a bubble if you think my opinion is unique.
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do you know how many people i know who have been accused of antisemitism for not agreeing with israel??? my fiance the latest one......all for saying that what israel was doing was not right..
You have to be pretty retarded to get offended if someone calls you antisemitic. Only insecure jews would call you that in today's day, which doesn't mean anything.
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give me a break dude....please don't give me this song and dance about how the pro jewish side is so accepting....
Your bias and emotional attachment to the topic discredits most things you say. You should have just stayed out of the discussion.
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i haven't heard one person that is pro palestinian in this thread say that we want to eliminate isreal..i personally would like to see the palestinians have FOOD and ELECTRICITY...ummm..maybe the same rights and liberties as the jews?
They did, until they gave all their rights to Hamas.
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blanket comments based on nothing but speculation on your part....
You can only use a sentence like this if you actually discredit (most of) what I have said.
Spam
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Originally posted by Xavier Moriarty
aim at schools that they had coordinates for????
Had Hamas stopped firing rockets, there would not have been a blown-up school 10 days later, would there?
Again, I was looking for a serious response, not an emotional sidestep. So lets try this again, because no one has answered my question yet (and this is the 3rd or 4th time I've asked it):
You are Israel's PM/Defense Minister/Whatever (lets pretend).
You take out a military supply tunnel, and kill 6 Hamas militants.
Hamas retaliates by targeting your civilian populations.
Day 1:
You say "Stop bombing my country, or I will direct my army to retaliate."
Hamas says " You!"
Day 2:
You say "Stop bombing my country, or I will direct my army to retaliate."
Hamas says " You!"
Day 3:
You say "Stop bombing my country, or I will direct my army to retaliate."
Hamas says " You!"
Day 4:
You say "Stop bombing my country, or I will direct my army to retaliate."
Hamas says " You!"
and etc.
Do you wait until one of those bombs DOES kill a civilian and face the wrath of the people? Or do you say "Ya know what, I gave you a fair chance to stop what's going to happen, but you've continued to ignore my warnings, and I must retaliate." OR, do you choose another tactic?
Remember, Hamas can target Israel's military without too much danger of hitting a civilian. Israel doesn't share the same luxury because Hamas, and militant groups like it hide amongst their own people so they can cry fowl when retaliations occur.
Now, I would say that a week's worth of "Stop or I'll bomb you back." is a fair warning against random bombs that, granted, weren't causing death at the time, but posed a threat in the near future.
Given that, regardless of who was originally in the "wrong", I put to you that Hamas CHOSE to allow it's civilians to die when they ignored Israel's repeated warnings. They had a chance to prevent Palestinian deaths, and they made the decision to pick a fight.
Xavier Moriarty
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Originally posted by Spam
Had Hamas stopped firing rockets, there would not have been a blown-up school 10 days later, would there?
Again, I was looking for a serious response, not an emotional sidestep. So lets try this again, because no one has answered my question yet (and this is the 3rd or 4th time I've asked it):
You are Israel's PM/Defense Minister/Whatever (lets pretend).
You take out a military supply tunnel, and kill 6 Hamas militants.
Hamas retaliates by targeting your civilian populations.
Day 1:
You say "Stop bombing my country, or I will direct my army to retaliate."
Hamas says " You!"
Day 2:
You say "Stop bombing my country, or I will direct my army to retaliate."
Hamas says " You!"
Day 3:
You say "Stop bombing my country, or I will direct my army to retaliate."
Hamas says " You!"
Day 4:
You say "Stop bombing my country, or I will direct my army to retaliate."
Hamas says " You!"
and etc.
Do you wait until one of those bombs DOES kill a civilian and face the wrath of the people? Or do you say "Ya know what, I gave you a fair chance to stop what's going to happen, but you've continued to ignore my warnings, and I must retaliate." OR, do you choose another tactic?
Remember, Hamas can target Israel's military without too much danger of hitting a civilian. Israel doesn't share the same luxury because Hamas, and militant groups like it hide amongst their own people so they can cry fowl when retaliations occur.
Now, I would say that a week's worth of "Stop or I'll bomb you back." is a fair warning against random bombs that, granted, weren't causing death at the time, but posed a threat in the near future.
Given that, regardless of who was originally in the "wrong", I put to you that Hamas CHOSE to allow it's civilians to die when they ignored Israel's repeated warnings. They had a chance to prevent Palestinian deaths, and they made the decision to pick a fight.
i have no emotional connection to this conflict except that children are being slaughtered. im Serbian and if i was biased at all i would be pro-israeli.
i cannot answer your question, im not smart enough. but here's somebody who actually can:
some of you are ing short sighted big time. you think hamas is the cause of this ????
but yeah, its much easier to point finger
gummybear
*sigh* here we go..
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Originally posted by Dr. Z
You live in a bubble if you think my opinion is unique.
i don't think your opinion is unique..i think it's retarded..
You have to be pretty retarded to get offended if someone calls you antisemitic. Only insecure jews would call you that in today's day, which doesn't mean anything.
maybe you don't mind labels like that..but i do...it's not something you want to be knowns as...
Your bias and emotional attachment to the topic discredits most things you say. You should have just stayed out of the discussion.
yes, i do get emotional when innocent people are being attacked....and yes, i am biased towards governments that choose to flex their muscles and bomb innocent civillians..sue me.....why can't you believe that my conclusions and ideas come from research and study as well..?
The only thing i share with the palestinians is my religion..and to be honest..i feel it is asinine to choose a side based on that..how utterly ridiculous and backwards...if we were to believe that theory..i would have to support the terrorists that bombed the twin towers..since they were muslim...
btw, i have been involved in this thread from the beginning and have every right to voice my thoughts..
They did, until they gave all their rights to Hamas.
once again...this is your opinion based on what?
You can only use a sentence like this if you actually discredit (most of) what I have said.
I do discredit what you said in the post because it is not based on fact..the only way it would be fact is if you had taken a poll and had spoken to every muslim and jew in this world...
Spam
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Originally posted by Xavier Moriarty
you sure about that???
lets wait and see what will usa do when somebody strikes at israel(and we all know it will happen, and fast). somebody who actually can do some serious damage.
you really think arab countries will wait much longer??
Do you really think that Arab nations care about Palestine? Personally, I'm skeptical.
If they did, wouldn't they have worked out an arrangement back in 1948, when this occurred:
Following the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, the 1949 Armistice Agreements between Israel and neighboring Arab states eliminated Palestine as a distinct territory. With the establishment of Israel, the remaining lands were divided amongst Egypt, Syria and Jordan. The Arab governments at this point refused to set up a State of Palestine.
When was the last time an outside nation declared war on Israel because they were oppressing the Palestinians?
Yohan
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Originally posted by Spam
check PM
Xavier Moriarty
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Originally posted by Spam
Do you really think that Arab nations care about Palestine? Personally, I'm skeptical.
If they did, wouldn't they have worked out an arrangement back in 1948, when this occurred:
Following the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, the 1949 Armistice Agreements between Israel and neighboring Arab states eliminated Palestine as a distinct territory. With the establishment of Israel, the remaining lands were divided amongst Egypt, Syria and Jordan. The Arab governments at this point refused to set up a State of Palestine.
When was the last time an outside nation declared war on Israel because they were oppressing the Palestinians?
i never said they care about palestine.
Endlesswave
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Originally posted by Spam
Do you really think that Arab nations care about Palestine? Personally, I'm skeptical.
If they did, wouldn't they have worked out an arrangement back in 1948, when this occurred:
Following the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, the 1949 Armistice Agreements between Israel and neighboring Arab states eliminated Palestine as a distinct territory. With the establishment of Israel, the remaining lands were divided amongst Egypt, Syria and Jordan. The Arab governments at this point refused to set up a State of Palestine.
When was the last time an outside nation declared war on Israel because they were oppressing the Palestinians?
If what you say is true factually w the Arab governments refusing at that point to set up a state of palestine, HOW THE HELL can they complain now saying 'oh but we were there first, blah blah blah' when they could have sorted it all out legally/land wise etc before? (especially before it turned into a crazy religious issue...
geroin
i dont think there is a resolution to this at this time.
unless both sides agree to live together without any borders or walls which will never happen (maybe in 100 years, just like the collapse of berlin wall). Otherwise they will just keep killing each other just like it has been for decades.
ChemEnhanced
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Originally posted by geroin
i dont think there is a resolution to this at this time.
unless both sides agree to live together without any borders or walls which will never happen (maybe in 100 years, just like the collapse of berlin wall). Otherwise they will just keep killing each other just like it has been for decades.
exactly....let them battle it out until they are ready for peace....unfortunately, civilians will die....its a part of war.
Spam
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Originally posted by Xavier Moriarty
some of you are ing short sighted big time. you think hamas is the cause of this ????
but yeah, its much easier to point finger
I hope you're not directing this comment at me. As I'm not trying to point fingers either way. I'm simply trying to understand some foolish decisions as I see them.
Thank you for that video. She actually seems very thoughtful and is good at pin-pointing what Israel does, and has done, wrong on their end. Unfortunately, it doesn't answer my question about why Hamas, and other militants in Palestine continue to try to pick fights with the more powerful nation, instead of direct attempts at peaceful diplomacy.
There's no necessity on Israel's part, they are the more powerful nation, and Palestinian attacks are a nuisance, but thus far, not debilitating. The necessity for peace rests on the Palestinian side. THEY are the ones suffering, that need help, and launching rockets at your oppressor is a fantastic way to become MORE oppressed. It doesn't make sense to me.
