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Israel bombs Gaza...again. (pg. 8)
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| ChemEnhanced |
just let all sides blow each other up....if they can't live in peace then they shouldn't live at all.
This would be a good time for those weapons of mass destruction everyone use to talk about. |
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| T_ALI |
| How abt the Israeli army does the same thing? |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by T_ALI
How abt the Israeli army does the same thing? |
note that I'm against both sides on this issue :rolleyes: |
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| malek |
| who he plays with fire gets burnt |
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| Adam420 |
| quote: | | Palestine was a gemstone of a country prior to the war, |
Palestine was never a country |
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| Dr. Z |
Anas, all the politics you've mentioned above are obvious and old. But that's not the problem anymore. It would've been nice to know that 50 years ago when israel was formed. The problem is that currently the palestinian muslims and the israelis don't see it that way. I've watched interviews with palestine region muslims, and most of them say, it's a religious war. A war between islam and jews. Some jews see it that way too. Not such a high percentage of jews though, because a lot of them in istrael are not from the middle east, but from europe and russia, who just don't give two s and are just saving their asses. (They were kicked out of there due to the Nazis and the Commies btw). So they really had nowhere else to go.
In any case, the conflict is now so convoluted, that it's pointless to look at history to place blame, but to try comprehend what is going on currently, and try to figure out what can be done. If you're trying to save lives, peacekeeping is the only thing you can do. If you've got oil investments in the middle east, then you pray israel doesn't perish. If you've picked a side and use the word of god to justify it then you're retarded, and if you don't care about the region, I guess you wouldn't be in this thread. |
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| T_ALI |
I'm pretty impartial on this topic but I feel that Anas makes a good point and the fact that when u have a country in control of another; neither one will ever get along.
ex.
Afghanistan and the Soviets
The British and India
Tibet and the Chinese
Native Americans and the occupying force(whatever u wanna cal them; foreigners, whites etc)
Nazis and the Jews of Poland and other countries of Europe etc.
etc.......
In the end its the people who suffer who just wanna live their lives peacefully |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by Adam420
Palestine was never a country |
neither Israel.
States as we know them are a very recent conecept existing much later than the jewish province in the roman empire the short lived jewish kingdom or the palestinian province in the ottoman empire. |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dr. Z
The problem is that currently the palestinian muslims and the israelis don't see it that way. I've watched interviews with palestine region muslims, and most of them say, it's a religious war. |
if this is the case, Hamas is doing a lot of things forbidden by Quran
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If you're trying to save lives, peacekeeping is the only thing you can do. |
You cannot send peacekeepers where there is no peace. (UN already tried this back in 94 IIRC)
Now I can see a form of peacemaking (IE, separate the sides by armed force) but I don't think both Israelis and Hamas want this option. Not to mention no nation has stomach for any more casualties, plus overcommitted militarily |
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| Spam |
| Anas, a few of your videos "Are no longer available". Try to find ones that work. |
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| Dr. Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
if this is the case, Hamas is doing a lot of things forbidden by Quran
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I don't think thats hard to figure out.
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You cannot send peacekeepers where there is no peace. (UN already tried this back in 94 IIRC)
Now I can see a form of peacemaking (IE, separate the sides by armed force) but I don't think both Israelis and Hamas want this option. Not to mention no nation has stomach for any more casualties, plus overcommitted militarily |
The UN is a joke, plus the west doesn't really care about the conflict over there anyway. Same as the way they don't care about the (many more) killed in Sudan and Darfur.
Now if exxon-mobil needs to build new pipelines through Kosovo and Macedonia, thats a completely different story... think of all the new oil. Isreali oil is old oil. We need more new oil to import.
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| Adam420 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Anas Attia
I know I feel like I am, but these are the people that are getting their voices heard... people like me simply are too afraid to voice our opinions because as you can see in this thread I am being attacked left right and center with the most idiotic yet somehow fox-news believable arguments.
I will continue to argue on here until every last one of you is convinced that the war in the middle east is truly, and utterly America's and Israel's war. I cry for Palestine man, along with all the other countries destroyed by these war mongers, I really do. |
Look buddy I lived in Israel for most of my life, I have friends in the army, most likely some of which are deployed as we speak. Hell, I used to regularely visit a restaurant in Haifa that was one day blown apart by a suicide bomber. If you want to have an intelligent discussion I can guarantee to provide one. There are many things I can tell you that you don't know, things, in fact, that will support your argument. On the other hand however, no matter how ard you try, there are also things you don't know that could be used against your argument.
The Israli government plays dirty. I admit it. A lot of them are crooks, I admit that too. I further admit that there is a certain movement in Israel which does not necessarily want to see an end to the way. Also I can tell you that Israeli children grow up without knowing about the horrors that the Plaestinians faced in 1948, and neither about the ones they are faced with right now, which of course interferes with any hope one might have that the Israelis themselves develop a sympathy for their Arab neigbors in any significant numbers.
But at the same time, you fail to admit that this is a 2-sided conflict. Your views are, to say the least, not far from being extreme. You speak of Israel as if it attacks unprovoked, as if the blood of its innocents has never been shed, as if it does not itself need to struggle to survive.
I'd gladly discuss this further, and I hope by my post that you can see that I am perfectly capable of representing both sides. I admit that most people, even the majority that argues in Israel's favor, is quite ill-informed. Indeed it is very easy to critisize actions taking place thousands of miles away from one's own bedroom, which is unfortunate if I may say. You on the other hand, are not capable of arguing for both sides, as demonstrated by your posts, and until that changes, I do not believe most will take you seriously. |
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