Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Right and since when answering fire with fire ever solved any problems?
you really think by kiiling all these people in one day Isreal is gonna achive anything there? do you expect these people to just sit back and watch Isreal kill their families?
You start off by saying "don't fight fire with fire" but then you say "you expect people to sit still?" - you're simply contradicting yourself. Israel sat still for a LONG time, now they said "enough" and did something. You can only blame retaliation for so long.
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Perhaps you should look into the living conditions inside Gaza,these people live below poverty and Isreal blocks the flow of fuel and medicine to the people for the most part.Wouldnt you be in frostrated if you lived in Gaza?
I did not say at *ANY* point that I condone everything that Israel does. However, it seems when Gaza is given an inch, they decide they can take a mile. The way Hamas is running things is for big political show and pity.
The people democractically voted and elected Hamas and there is not a damn thing anyone can do about it and the world should respect that.I thought you and your fellow Americans were all for Democracy?what happpend?
The world respects that, they also have the concept of 'consequences'. It's not the first time Palestinians elect fanatical leadership. Enough of the silly personal attacks, it gets you nowhere.
Anas Attia
You guys definitely need to do your own research and open your eyes to the real situation there... like hardcore trancer said.
The Israeli government is the puppeteer of the war. Palestinians don't want anything but to be left alone and not be occupied! you know their occupied right?
Watch occupation 101 (posted earlier) then come back and chat.
Yohan
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Originally posted by Anas Attia
The Israeli government is the puppeteer of the war. Palestinians don't want anything but to be left alone and not be occupied! you know their occupied right?
I'm sure avg Palestinians just want to be left alone.
The Hamas, however, seems to have other ideas. (like, destruction of Israel for example)
Anas Attia
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Originally posted by Yohan
I'm sure avg Palestinians just want to be left alone.
The Hamas, however, seems to have other ideas. (like, destruction of Israel for example)
watch occupation 101 bro, take the step lol
tatgirl
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Originally posted by Anas Attia
The Israeli government is the puppeteer of the war.
Really? Israel has been under attack and threat by all its surrounding neighbors for over 50 yrs.
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Palestinians don't want anything but to be left alone and not be occupied! you know their occupied right?
And Israeli's want nothing but peace for the past 50 yrs. Where's the muslim peace movement? Nowhere. Cuz militants would kill them if they even thought about it.
Israel is trying to be as specific as possible with their attacks on known Hamas bases. They warn civilians beforehand, to limit casualties. This has ALWAYS been their policy, and I dont think you'll find many other militaries in the world who would offer that same courtesy in their attacks. Do casualties happen? Unfortunately yes. Palestinian authorities are reporting that majority of the people who have died in these recent attacks ARE Hamas members. Hamas sends in hundreds of rockets at civilian locations, with no warnings, they are out to kill as many innocents as possible. Do you really think Israeli's should sit there and take that?
Hypothetically speaking, say you had your way and Israel was given back and Palestinian rule was created, do you think they would let the millions of Israeli's there live in peace, side by side? No. They'd try and drive them all out, or try and kill every last one of them, just because. And then they'd go throw candy in the streets, like they always do when they kill a Jew. Then they would go and destroy every last Jewish cemetary, sacred sight, historical landmark, and wipe out thousands of years of Jewish history, because that's what they've done in the past when given the opportunity. (Remind you of anything?) Israeli civilians NEVER rejoice when a Palestinian is killed, militant or civilian, no candy is thrown in the streets, they dont raise their children to hate them and fill their heads with propoganda, and they certainly dont go destroying Muslim holy sites. So unless you have a better plan, tell me why this forseeable future is something Israel would even consider. Until the Palestinians say 'enough is enough, we dont want these militant groups putting us in danger like this', and move forward with a political peace process and not a militant one, there will never be a positive outcome for them.
tatgirl
Anas Attia & Naveed, just wondering- what are your thoughts on suicide bombers? I'd really like to hear your opinions.
And how come Israeli supporters can come on here and say 'how unfortunate it is that casualites occur, we want peace, both sides are making mistakes', etc... But NOT ONCE have I ever seen you post any accountability for the poor choices Hamas might be making, by putting their own people in danger by provoking these attacks, not once do you ever state that what the Palestinian side is doing isn't working, not once do you speak of peace as an option. Its just loads of pointing the finger and bad mouthing. See a similarity to anything I'm talking about? Where is your desire for peace? Where is the ownership of mistakes being made on your side?
Anas Attia
Tatgirl, you are brainwashed by the media, I'm not trying to be a jerk but please do some research and reasoning first... the type that doesn't come from American/Israeli TV stations, newspapers and radio stations. I urge you to use critical thinking and just watch the movie I suggested. you have to do some of your own research before making allegations like that.
The core of the problem is not what you expect. I have researched this issue since I started university, I'm majoring in business and doing my second major in neurology... I'm just trying to prove that I'm not talking out of my ass there's some logic behind this ;)
I have spent endless hours studying the issue. I can point you to many Independent sources of information that will prove my point of view, but you will not find any to support yours other than the media sources stated above.
gummybear
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Originally posted by Anas Attia
its a one sided war man.
i agree with you..but i have learned a long time ago to not even debate this subject..the truth is...most people get their information from cnn and other media outlets like it.....in order to understand what is going on..you have to take the initiative and spend the time to learn from alternative sources...people shouldn't always believe what they are fed...
oops..i posted this before i read your post above mine..:)
ÖZmözis
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Originally posted by tatgirl
Anas Attia & Naveed, just wondering- what are your thoughts on suicide bombers? I'd really like to hear your opinions.
And how come Israeli supporters can come on here and say 'how unfortunate it is that casualites occur, we want peace, both sides are making mistakes', etc... But NOT ONCE have I ever seen you post any accountability for the poor choices Hamas might be making, by putting their own people in danger by provoking these attacks, not once do you ever state that what the Palestinian side is doing isn't working, not once do you speak of peace as an option. Its just loads of pointing the finger and bad mouthing. See a similarity to anything I'm talking about? Where is your desire for peace? Where is the ownership of mistakes being made on your side?
Suicide bombers are just weak minded people that have been brainwashed. Hamas is forced to make these poor choices in order to keep Palestine on its feet and still have control of the area. If Hamas didn't retaliate then Israel would easily take over the Palestenian soil and drive its people out of their own lands without any merci.
ÖZmözis
Also, Israel doesn't seem to be doing a good job to push towards peace. At least not by building a wall all across the border, taking over extra Palestinian land and restricting its people of many natural resources.
Its Ironic that the once Berlin wall represented terror and oppression and people were happy to see it go down, including many jews. Now Israel is almost done building a wall bigger than the Berlin Wall, which they call a "security wall" but to me it sounds more like an abomination of peace....
Anas Attia
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Originally posted by ÖZmözis
Also, Israel doesn't seem to be doing a good job to push towards peace. At least not by building a wall all across the border, taking over extra Palestinian land and restricting its people of many natural resources.
Its Ironic that the once Berlin wall represented terror and oppression and people were happy to see it go down, including many jews. Now Israel is almost done building a wall bigger than the Berlin Wall, which they call a "security wall" but to me it sounds more like an abomination of peace....
this is what he's talking about :
Yohan
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Originally posted by Anas Attia
watch occupation 101 bro, take the step lol
so far i've watched about 16mins of it, and it is IMO a sensationalist 'documentary' with no sense of objectivity at all. about same quality as one of Michael Moore's works. (meaning, shows fact, but screws and slants in such way that viewers get kerfuffled)
i will watch the rest in a bit. i hope it gets better
