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Israel bombs Gaza...again. (pg. 31)
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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | | Israel said its soldiers had come under fire from militants inside the school. |
Militants were hiding in a UN-run school?
Edit: Also, since the Israeli solders were under fire from the school the most logical choice was to order an air strike to take out the whole school? Seems like civilians are an afterthought for the Israelis if it means killing a couple militants. |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by infinity HiGH
Militants were hiding in a UN-run school?
Edit: Also, since the Israeli solders were under fire from the school the most logical choice was to order an air strike to take out the whole school? Seems like civilians are an afterthought for the Israelis if it means killing a couple militants. |
it's one of those damn if you do, damn if you dont scenario
what can you do when your enemy hides among the civillians? esp when they dont wear an uniform? its a dirty war
collateral damage is an ugly term |
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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
what can you do when your enemy hides among the civillians? |
Bomb the ing hell out of them and pretend you care. Duh :rolleyes: |
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| Shade |
| quote: | Originally posted by infinity HiGH
Militants were hiding in a UN-run school?
Edit: Also, since the Israeli solders were under fire from the school the most logical choice was to order an air strike to take out the whole school? Seems like civilians are an afterthought for the Israelis if it means killing a couple militants. |
It's been done before, don't be surprised.
To address your edit, if you were running a country, would you choose to take a route that ensures your soldiers don't get hurt or would you choose one which is rather high risk? If they're hiding INSIDE the school, the only way to really get rid of them is to break in - you're adding a huge risk for casualties on the Israeli side (and potentially kidnappings which Hamas loves to do). |
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| djeso |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shade
It's been done before, don't be surprised.
To address your edit, if you were running a country, would you choose to take a route that ensures your soldiers don't get hurt or would you choose one which is rather high risk? If they're hiding INSIDE the school, the only way to really get rid of them is to break in - you're adding a huge risk for casualties on the Israeli side (and potentially kidnappings which Hamas loves to do). |
fine but you still don't go and bomb them ... end of story |
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| geroin |
seriously ed up
poor people can't even flee the territory, all border crossing are blocked, no food, nowhere to run.. |
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| jad |
This is progressing into a chaotic discussion. We have diginut denying any information which supports the Palestinian cause being the ignorant racist he or she is... Come on? You're attacking those who you assume are denying Israel's existance, yet you deny a Palestinian entity altogether... If Palestine didn't exist before the British rule.. then why did my great grandfather and his forefathers call their homeland Palestine? And occupation isn;t the main root of the conflict? WOW Once again you've proven yourself as the epitome of ignorance.. I believe you should realise this about yourself, or stop insulting Palestinians such as myself with your strongly biased remarks and childish analoglies.
We've got Abercrombie expressing his or her vandetta against Anas by labelling any video or information posted as pro-Palestinian propoganda. Abercrombie, you have posted some valid points I think it's time for you to stop busting balls, and continue providing valid arguments. All Anas is doing is showing the Palestinian perspective.. which more and more people are coming to appreciate as the truth.. 60 years of occupation and people are finally starting to take a stance with the Palestinians who have been suffering under Israeli occupation.. Maybe some people are just afraid of the truth? Maybe the truth hurts what you've been brought up on your whole life?
At the same time I can't blame some for arguing from a perspective which supports Zionism.. If you grew up your whole life learning from institutions with interests parallel to that of Zionism (e.g. history textbooks in most North American schools), and you never took the initiative to learn the other side of the argument.. then it's inevitable that you'll continue living your life blind to what really goes on... and that's very sad to see..
I'm glad people are starting to see what really goes on.. but people still have a long way until they understand the essence of the situation..I'm confident that with time, as people become more open-mided and better educated, they'll begin to understand the true colors of this conflict. |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shade
It's been done before, don't be surprised.
To address your edit, if you were running a country, would you choose to take a route that ensures your soldiers don't get hurt or would you choose one which is rather high risk? If they're hiding INSIDE the school, the only way to really get rid of them is to break in - you're adding a huge risk for casualties on the Israeli side (and potentially kidnappings which Hamas loves to do). |
i wouldnt worry about any soldiers being captured by hamas, unless israelis are really retarded. standard doctrine for any sort of urban ops involving taking over a house is to surround it (so nobody goes in and out) and then send in the infantry.
problem is that it's really manpower intensive, and more chances of casualties on friendly side, esp if you're trying to limit civillian casualties.
just to put it into perspective, your avg two story house takes min a platoon (30 guys or so) for going into the house, plus another platoon for ourside security |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | | Originally posted by jad |
ah yes.
the my side has the truth statements |
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| Shade |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
i wouldnt worry about any soldiers being captured by hamas, unless israelis are really retarded. standard doctrine for any sort of urban ops involving taking over a house is to surround it (so nobody goes in and out) and then send in the infantry.
problem is that it's really manpower intensive, and more chances of casualties on friendly side, esp if you're trying to limit civillian casualties.
just to put it into perspective, your avg two story house takes min a platoon (30 guys or so) for going into the house, plus another platoon for ourside security |
Fair enough.
@djeso
What would you propose as a solution in a situation like that? (This isn't me attacking, I'm really asking you a genuine question) |
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| jad |
- 60 years of illegal occupation and oppression... forcefully taking away land from Palestinians (with the cost of countless deaths, destroyed homes, and millions of displaced Palestinian refugees) in order to allow Jewish immigrants to live comfortably. Yes the Jews suffered in the Holocaust, but Palestinians should not suffer as a consequence.
- Limited electricity which progressed into no electricity.
- Extremely limited food supplies.
- Limited medicine.
- Horrible medical care.. overcrowded hospitals have been running on emergency generators, which could fail to operate at any moment, meaning those on life support or in intensive care could die at any moment. Any new victims of the massacre can't even be admitted into medical care.
- A crippled economy, in which imports and exports are controlled and limited under Israeli authority.
- 1.5 million ing people in 360km squared!!! Think of the standard of living Gazans live in on a day to day basis. A huge amount of Gazans have never left this small strip of land, and many will never leave it.
Do these seem like living conditions that wouldn't piss you off just a little bit? Imagine living like this and think of how angry it would make you. This is the trap Israelis have Palestinians in. They feed off of our anger and retaliation, and use our defense as an excuse for further expansion of the Zionist sate.
Are Israeli lives more valuable than Palestinian lives? 500+ Palestinian deaths can be justified with 4 Israeli deaths?? Come on people!! Can you even compare the Palestinians' suffering to that of the Israelis?
People open up your eyes.. Israel wants to expand their land for more settlements at the cost of Palestinian lives, as they have been doing for the past 60 years.
Take this as an example... why would you never see Palestinians protesting along with the Israelis.. yet there are many Jews who protest along with the Palestinians?
Learn people! Educate yourselves... your local or national media is not the absolute truth. Read books.. talk to those who have been affected by this.. CNN (or any similar media outlet) is not the answer. |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by jad
- 60 years of illegal occupation and oppression... forcefully taking away land from Palestinians (with the cost of countless deaths, destroyed homes, and millions of displaced Palestinian refugees) in order to allow Jewish immigrants to live comfortably. Yes the Jews suffered in the Holocaust, but Palestinians should not suffer as a consequence.
- Limited electricity which progressed into no electricity.
- Extremely limited food supplies.
- Limited medicine.
- Horrible medical care.. overcrowded hospitals have been running on emergency generators, which could fail to operate at any moment, meaning those on life support or in intensive care could die at any moment. Any new victims of the massacre can't even be admitted into medical care.
- A crippled economy, in which imports and exports are controlled and limited under Israeli authority.
- 1.5 million ing people in 360km squared!!! Think of the standard of living Gazans live in on a day to day basis. A huge amount of Gazans have never left this small strip of land, and many will never leave it.
Do these seem like living conditions that wouldn't piss you off just a little bit? Imagine living like this and think of how angry it would make you. This is the trap Israelis have Palestinians in. They feed off of our anger and retaliation, and use our defense as an excuse for further expansion of the Zionist sate. |
still does not excuse terrorism from Hamas or any terrorist groups on the behalf of palestinian people
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Are Israeli lives more valuable than Palestinian lives? 500+ Palestinian deaths can be justified with 4 Israeli deaths?? Come on people!! Can you even compare the Palestinians' suffering to that of the Israelis? |
to play a bit of devil's advocate, if my family is being attacked, i wouldnt care how many of others die in order to protect my own family
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People open up your eyes.. Israel wants to expand their land for more settlements at the cost of Palestinian lives, as they have been doing for the past 60 years. |
more bits of devil's advocate. it pays to be a winner. sucks to be on the losing side
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Take this as an example... why would you never see Palestinians protesting along with the Israelis.. yet there are many Jews who protest along with the Palestinians? |
more devil's advocate. there are israeli neo nazis. a bit of nutjobs in every group
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Learn people! Educate yourselves... your local or national media is not the absolute truth. Read books.. talk to those who have been affected by this.. CNN (or any similar media outlet) is not the answer. |
stop portraying your own views as absolute truths.
facts yes. let people judge for themselves what is truth or not.
but insisting that your own view is the absolute truth merely annoys people (hence why I'm being a bit of dick in this post) |
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