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Israel bombs Gaza...again. (pg. 70)
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| Abercrombie |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
this thread was gone...how dare you Yohan
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well.... if he posted yesterday's article about the Gazans' bomb attack which killed one Israeli soldier and wounded three, he may have been accused of more one-sidedness. |
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| tatgirl |
I guess that explains the 3 fighter jets we saw go over our car when we left Tel Aviv this afternoon around 12pm. I guess that's what you get for listening to the CD player all day in the car and not the radio: oblivion. Anyways I just drove past Gaza less than 2 hrs ago (the closest I've ever been), right between it and Sderot (was .5 km away from it)- all was quiet.
Anyways, fair is fair- link to article about yesterdays attack on Israel.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1059172.html
and back I go to exiting this thread.... |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by tatgirl
I guess that explains the 3 fighter jets we saw go over our car when we left Tel Aviv this afternoon around 12pm. I guess that's what you get for listening to the CD player all day in the car and not the radio: oblivion. Anyways I just drove past Gaza less than 2 hrs ago (the closest I've ever been), right between it and Sderot (was .5 km away from it)- all was quiet.
Anyways, fair is fair- link to article about yesterdays attack on Israel.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1059172.html
and back I go to exiting this thread.... |
we miss you Nat |
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| Yohan |
And another reason why all stories needs to be checked with skepticism
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...ernational/home
| quote: | Account of Israeli attack doesn't hold up to scrutiny
PATRICK MARTIN
From Thursday's Globe and Mail
January 29, 2009 at 4:00 AM EST
JABALYA, GAZA STRIP — Most people remember the headlines: Massacre Of Innocents As UN School Is Shelled; Israeli Strike Kills Dozens At UN School.
They heralded the tragic news of Jan. 6, when mortar shells fired by advancing Israeli forces killed 43 civilians in the Jabalya refugee camp in the Gaza Strip. The victims, it was reported, had taken refuge inside the Ibn Rushd Preparatory School for Boys, a facility run by the United Nations Relief and Works Agency.
The news shocked the world and was compared to the 1996 Israeli attack on a UN compound in Qana, Lebanon, in which more than 100 people seeking refuge were killed. It was certain to hasten the end of Israel's attack on Gaza, and would undoubtedly lead the list of allegations of war crimes committed by Israel.
There was just one problem: The story, as etched in people's minds, was not quite accurate.
Physical evidence and interviews with several eyewitnesses, including a teacher who was in the schoolyard at the time of the shelling, make it clear: While a few people were injured from shrapnel landing inside the white-and-blue-walled UNRWA compound, no one in the compound was killed. The 43 people who died in the incident were all outside, on the street, where all three mortar shells landed.
Stories of one or more shells landing inside the schoolyard were inaccurate.
While the killing of 43 civilians on the street may itself be grounds for investigation, it falls short of the act of shooting into a schoolyard crowded with refuge-seekers.
The teacher who was in the compound at the time of the shelling says he heard three loud blasts, one after the other, then a lot of screaming. "I ran in the direction of the screaming [inside the compound]," he said. "I could see some of the people had been injured, cut. I picked up one girl who was bleeding by her eye, and ran out on the street to get help."But when I got outside, it was crazy hell. There were bodies everywhere, people dead, injured, flesh everywhere."
The teacher, who refused to give his name because he said UNRWA had told the staff not to talk to the news media, was adamant: "Inside [the compound] there were 12 injured, but there were no dead."
"Three of my students were killed," he said. "But they were all outside."
Hazem Balousha, who runs an auto-body shop across the road from the UNRWA school, was down the street, just out of range of the shrapnel, when the three shells hit. He showed a reporter where they landed: one to the right of his shop, one to the left, and one right in front.
"There were only three," he said. "They were all out here on the road."
News of the tragedy travelled fast, with aid workers and medical staff quoted as saying the incident happened at the school, the UNRWA facility where people had sought refuge.
Soon it was presented that people in the school compound had been killed. Before long, there was worldwide outrage.
Sensing a public-relations nightmare, Israeli spokespeople quickly asserted that their forces had only returned fire from gunmen inside the school. (They even named two militants.) It was a statement from which they would later retreat, saying there were gunmen in the vicinity of the school.
No witnesses said they saw any gunmen. (If people had seen anyone firing a mortar from the middle of the street outside the school, they likely would not have continued to mill around.)
John Ging, UNRWA's operations director in Gaza, acknowledged in an interview this week that all three Israeli mortar shells landed outside the school and that "no one was killed in the school."
"I told the Israelis that none of the shells landed in the school," he said.
Why would he do that?
"Because they had told everyone they had returned fire from gunmen in the school. That wasn't true."
Mr. Ging blames the Israelis for the confusion over where the victims were killed. "They even came out with a video that purported to show gunmen in the schoolyard. But we had seen it before," he said, "in 2007."
The Israelis are the ones, he said, who got everyone thinking the deaths occurred inside the school.
"Look at my statements," he said. "I never said anyone was killed in the school. Our officials never made any such allegation."
Speaking from Shifa Hospital in Gaza City as the bodies were being brought in that night, an emotional Mr. Ging did say: "Those in the school were all families seeking refuge. ... There's nowhere safe in Gaza."
And in its daily bulletin, the World Health Organization reported: "On 6 January, 42 people were killed following an attack on a UNRWA school ..."
The UN's Office for the Co-ordination of Humanitarian Affairs got the location right, for a short while. Its daily bulletin cited "early reports" that "three artillery shells landed outside the UNRWA Jabalia Prep. C Girls School ..." However, its more comprehensive weekly report, published three days later, stated that "Israeli shelling directly hit two UNRWA schools ..." including the one at issue.
Such official wording helps explain the widespread news reports of the deaths in the school, but not why the UN agencies allowed the misconception to linger.
"I know no one was killed in the school," Mr. Ging said. "But 41 innocent people were killed in the street outside the school. Many of those people had taken refuge in the school and wandered out onto the street.
"The state of Israel still has to answer for that. What did they know and what care did they take?"
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| Xavier Moriarty |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
if you need to prove your lack of manhood by taking this face to face, feel free to find me. i certainly will not be making any effort to find you, because i dont need to prove anything to you
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LOL.
lotsa big internet words.
oh, i know, make some more fun of him. internet fun !! |
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| african bass |
the zionists... damn fukin fuk's! :whip: (just had 2 get that out) they trina twist a religion and turn it into a secular regime. its ironic how they went from being the oppressed to being the oppressors and that people dont realize. the problem has become so complicated today because of the status quo of the past 50 - 60 odd years and things have just slowly deteriorated up to the point now where its almost irreversible.
the US and israel aint got on gaza but they will never be satisfied. Hamas was elected DEMOCRATICALLY and then the US was like WTF we didnt think they wud win... now were skrewed.. they wont go with our agenda so we will call them terrorists and denounce their authority. think about it... all the best friends of the US in the middle east (aka puppets) are not democracies and are either monarchs or dictatorships. e.g saudi, jordan, egypt....
k now i think i need to stop goin on this stoner ranting lol!ck |
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| T_ALI |
Tranceaddict is more than just a chat room on the internet. A lot of people forget that most people on Tranceaddict know each other personally or have met in various places such as clubs etc.
I've met quite a few through TA, some of which are now my closest friends.
So when someone insults another, its sometimes taken personally.
And then strangers come along and write comments when its really none of their business, and they don't know what they're talking about.
I'm just speaking generally here and not trying to point the finger at anyone. I'm just trying to state why some people take it a bit more seriously than others. |
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| african bass |
| well politics is always a sensitive issue... and i wasn't reali tryin 2 attack anyone personally, more the government than the actual avg person (if u were referring 2 me) |
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| zoogla |
| quote: | Originally posted by T_ALI
Tranceaddict is more than just a chat room on the internet. A lot of people forget that most people on Tranceaddict know each other personally or have met in various places such as clubs etc.
I've met quite a few through TA, some of which are now my closest friends.
So when someone insults another, its sometimes taken personally.
And then strangers come along and write comments when its really none of their business, and they don't know what they're talking about.
I'm just speaking generally here and not trying to point the finger at anyone. I'm just trying to state why some people take it a bit more seriously than others. |
lol i really hope we meet so i can kick your ass.
lol j/k :p |
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| ChemEnhanced |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by african bass
...twist a religion and turn it into a secular regime. |
I generally make a point of not using the anti-semite label in this debate, but you really could not have made it more obvious. I mean, you might as well have shortened your entire post to "Damn Jews!!!" |
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