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Israel bombs Gaza...again. (pg. 28)
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by evil_cookie
are you serious dude?
By saying that Yohan, I can tell you haven't the slightest clue on who Chomsky is--do a little more than read the first couple of lines on his Wiki Yohan...
You should know better.
He is one of the most renowned political scholars in the world. |
I have hard time taking terrorist supporter's words seriously
Chomsky on arming Hezbollah
http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?P...=sd&ID=SP116506
| quote: | | On May 13, 2006, Professor Chomsky was quoted by Al-Manar as saying, "Hizbullah's insistence on keeping its arms is justified... I think Nasrallah has a reasoned argument and [a] persuasive argument that they [the arms] should be in the hands of Hizbullah as a deterrent to potential aggression, and there is plenty of background reasons for that. So until, I think his position [is] reporting it correctly and it seems to me [a] reasonable position, is that until there is a general political settlement in the region, [and] the threat of aggression and violence is reduced or eliminated, there has to be a deterrent, and the Lebanese army can't be a deterrent." |
Chomsky seems approving of Hezbollah kidnapping of Israeli soldiers
http://www.democracynow.org/2006/7/...aeli#transcript
| quote: | | It’s a very—mind you—very irresponsible act. It subjects Lebanese to possible—certainly to plenty of terror and possible extreme disaster. Whether it can achieve any result, either in the secondary question of freeing prisoners or the primary question of some form of solidarity with the people of Gaza, I hope so, but I wouldn’t rank the probabilities very high. |
What does he really mean by 'extreme actions'?
http://www.stwr.org/middle-east/noa...jectionism.html
| quote: | | The crimes against Palestinians in the Occupied Territories and elsewhere, particularly Lebanon, are so shocking that the only emotionally valid reaction is rage and a call for extreme actions. But that does not help the victims. And, in fact, it’s likely to harm them. We have to face the reality that our actions have consequences, and they have to be adapted to real-world circumstances, difficult as it may be to stay calm in the face of shameful crimes in which we are directly and crucially implicated. |
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| DJ Damerchi |
Yohan, based on what you said, it seems that you dont know(or atleast i presume you dont know) the history of the Lebanese civil conflict in which Israel intervened and advanced halfway up their country. All he is saying is that their arguement is somewhat substantial knowing what happened historically. I mean, America funded many clandestine terrorist in central america as late as the reagan administration, meanwhile pointing fingers at so called terrorist supporters. Not to mention Israel was helped founded by sponsored terrorism....Menachim Begin is still a "freedom fighter" lol
and no, I am not a terrorist, nor do i support terrorist acts.
"Chomsky seems approving of Hezbollah kidnapping of Israeli soldiers"
How do you get this conclusion after he says its a very very irresponsible act.
He is speaking in the context of "Ok, so now they're kidnapped(very irresponsible), I hope people are freed and an exchange takes place(towards better relations), but this is not likely(ty).
"The crimes against Palestinians in the Occupied Territories and elsewhere, particularly Lebanon, are so shocking that the only emotionally valid reaction is rage and a call for extreme actions. But that does not help the victims. And, in fact, it’s likely to harm them. We have to face the reality that our actions have consequences, and they have to be adapted to real-world circumstances, difficult as it may be to stay calm in the face of shameful crimes in which we are directly and crucially implicated."
Noam is just calling it like it is, he always makes it clear that it is a ty reality, but reality nonetheless. You are dellusional if you think the 1.5 million Gazans will all of a sudden love Israel after this nonsense, and extreme acts of terror will cease. |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Damerchi
Yohan, based on what you said, it seems that you dont know(or atleast i presume you dont know) the history of the Lebanese civil conflict in which Israel intervened and advanced halfway up their country. All he is saying is that their arguement is somewhat substantial knowing what happened historically. I mean, America funded many clandestine terrorist in central america as late as the reagan administration, meanwhile pointing fingers at so called terrorist supporters. Not to mention Israel was helped founded by sponsored terrorism....Menachim Begin is still a "freedom fighter" lol
and no, I am not a terrorist, nor do i support terrorist acts. |
I know about Yanks and their foreign policies shenanigans, and that many of Israel's founders were terrorists.
But I'm not talking about US and Israel. I'm talking about Chomsky, and his seemingly support of Hezbollah, a terrorist organization.
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"Chomsky seems approving of Hezbollah kidnapping of Israeli soldiers"
How do you get this conclusion after he says its a very very irresponsible act.
He is speaking in the context of "Ok, so now they're kidnapped(very irresponsible), I hope people are freed and an exchange takes place(towards better relations), but this is not likely(ty). |
I interpret his remarks as while the kidnappings were regrettable, he thinks it's somehow justifiable, in context of Palestinian and Hezbollah situation.
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"The crimes against Palestinians in the Occupied Territories and elsewhere, particularly Lebanon, are so shocking that the only emotionally valid reaction is rage and a call for extreme actions. But that does not help the victims. And, in fact, it’s likely to harm them. We have to face the reality that our actions have consequences, and they have to be adapted to real-world circumstances, difficult as it may be to stay calm in the face of shameful crimes in which we are directly and crucially implicated."
Noam is just calling it like it is, he always makes it clear that it is a ty reality, but reality nonetheless. You are dellusional if you think the 1.5 million Gazans will all of a sudden love Israel after this nonsense, and extreme acts of terror will cease. |
Where did I even hint that Palestinians will love Israel? :conf:
I am really curious to know what he means by extreme actions. It sounds to me he's condoning Hamas actions, based upon Israel's cruelty against Palestine, and therefore justified in taking actions against Israel |
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| DJ Damerchi |
by extreme actions, he means that they will pretty much go to extreme and do as much damage with their given resources, no matter how deprived they be...till the death mentallity has been instilled in these people. so if they had nukes they would use it. He is just making an observation, a prediction of what will happen.
but chomsky for many is an agree to disagree character. same with Ron Paul, a few people at PDD think he's a full on nutjob |
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| djeso |
I don't know but all it take is some reading up on history other then CNN.
How would you feel if someone came to your home, then invited more friends over, eventually taking over one of the rooms and declaring that now it belongs to them, at the same time taking even more. So now you go and fight for your right, but they take away your access to weapons, so no longer you can fight like a man, so you go and sacrifice yourself. |
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| UmmiE |
| quote: | Originally posted by Xavier Moriarty
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WOW.........pretty much thats all I can say.:eyes: |
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| Special K |
the isrealis are really good at what they do
and ethnic cleansing is what they do |
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| ChemEnhanced |
A few hundred of these and the problem would be solved.
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| dj_souvlaki |
| quote: | Originally posted by UmmiE
WOW.........pretty much thats all I can say.:eyes: |
I wish it was the other way around. |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_souvlaki
I wish it was the other way around. |
you just exemplified why this conflict won't end.
i.e. there appears to be no middle ground (in the eyes of each 'side'...but I bet the people themselves would disagree and say that there is). |
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| Abercrombie |
| quote: | Originally posted by Anas Attia
Deny Israel's existence? who the are you kidding. go yourself who ever you are. your just a hater. I am all for human rights and your telling me I don't believe in co-existence? Why in the ing world would I not? All I am saying is there are people dying and it can be stopped, not Israel... I cant believe how people like you can come to conclusions like that. And how can you say something like hammas and I will be fulfilled? YOU BIG TIME buddy. don't words in my mouth. |
Oh noes... where did Israel go? Wiped off the map? Wiped off like the facebook too?
Oh I'm sorry, I didn't mean to put words in your mouth. |
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| tintin11 |
| Sickens me when i see that concrete wall. s gonna hit the fan oh so hard. |
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