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Israel bombs Gaza...again. (pg. 35)
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| T_ALI |
| quote: | | [i][b]Originally posted by DigiNut |
U!!!! U HEARTLESS !!!! |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
i do think digi is stretching a bit with that remark |
Sheesh, I even go out of my way to say "some, not all" and still get flak. Even in the anti-Israel videos people are posting here you can see militants that look 14. I'm not making this stuff up.
| quote: | Originally posted by T_ALI
U!!!! U HEARTLESS !!!! |
Spoken like a truly level-headed and impartial observer. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by T_ALI
U!!!! U HEARTLESS !!!! |
I'm pretty sure he has a heart....I mean...he really wouldn't be able to type on the internet without it. |
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| UmmiE |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
i do think digi is stretching a bit with that remark and there is no proof that the children in that school are hamas supporters but then, you get pics like these and you gotta wonder
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/a...RTICLE_ID=49433 |
Go watch the video again......and then come back and see how old those kids are.
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
I fail to see how video clips prove anything, at all. Anyway, we already covered the YouTube angle in this thread. |
why is the video source not something you think that offers proper news or is baised.....digi.....you cant win this argument so dont even try......ing video evidence is something thats scares you because it shows the actual truth to the public that may not be present there to see it first hand.
have fun justifying your and (Israels) position here.Im done with you. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| all news video is biased...one way or the other...for every video someone has to support their side someone else has one to support their side. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by UmmiE
why is the video source not something you think that offers proper news or is baised..... |
Clearly it's biased, but even if it were completely impartial, it's irrelevant. You're posting videos without any context or any argument - what precisely is it that you think they somehow serve as evidence for? That there's a war going on down there? Yup, you got that right.
P.S. Merely saying "you can't win the argument" isn't actually going to win any argument. |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by evil_cookie
"suffering now?"
point me to a time when the conflict was active on both sides and the civilian death toll, on the Israeli side, was higher--I'll save you the time: you can't. |
no ing .
you suffer whenever one of your own dies.
and as for which side suffers more, thats why I added that bit of qualifier at the end
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
Christians also came from the middle east... specifically Bethlehem and Nazareth.. curretnly the Palestinian territories.. does that mean Italians are from Palestine since the are Catholic?
Palestinians are probably decendents of tribes that were also desendents from humans migrating up the Eurasian contininent hundreds of thousands of years ago.
I cant believe what youre saying. Are you actually trying to justify a RUSSIAN or a Polack as indeginous to the middle east becuase of their RELIGION???? LOL
Are all muslims descendents of people from SAudi Arabia??? |
lol. where did the religion bit came from? thanks for trying to twist my words hard |
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| evil_cookie |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
all news video is biased...one way or the other...for every video someone has to support their side someone else has one to support their side. |
lol omg srsly? we should like totally get some other reporters in there who'll report more objectively.
oh that's right...
| quote: | | Israel is refusing to let international journalists into Gaza, despite a Supreme Court ruling to allow a limited number of reporters to enter the territory. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by evil_cookie
lol omg srsly? we should like totally get some other reporters in there who'll report more objectively.
oh that's right... |
let every reporter in the world in there and it still won't change the fact that if you want to find video to support your cause you will....for either side. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by evil_cookie
lol omg srsly? we should like totally get some other reporters in there who'll report more objectively. |
You do realize that most of the "reporters" in that region are actually Arab stringers, right? Katie Couric isn't flying down there herself to get the word on the street.
Anybody remember the blatant photoshopping of Israeli missiles and several other photos about a year and half ago, along with that old woman later dubbed Flat Fatima that appeared as the grieving widow of some 12 different families?
Media objectivity in any war is suspect because most journalists are pacifists, but when it comes to Israel/Palestine, the war is so remote both geographically and culturally that any shred of credibility went out the window years ago. You can believe it has a Pro-Israeli bias if you really want to, but either way it means you can't trust any one single video or photo or article that you read, you really have to scour every available source for any level of realism.
P.S. Also Green Helmet Guy / Harry Helmet, hahah that one was too funny. |
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| evil_cookie |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
You can believe it has a Pro-Israeli bias if you really want to, but either way it means you can't trust any one single video or photo or article that you read, you really have to scour every available source for any level of realism. |
I generally accept this.
However, I find this, among many other things, troubling:
| quote: | The UN officials said they regularly provided the Israeli military with exact co-ordinates of their facilities, and that the school was in a built-up area.
UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said he was "deeply dismayed" that despite these efforts, three UN-run schools had been hit by nearby Israeli strikes.
Earlier in the day, at least three Palestinians were killed when another school was hit in the Shati camp, UN officials said.
The BBC's Rushdi Abu Alouf reports from a UN school inside a Gaza refugee camp
Ten people were also injured at a UN health centre in the Bureij refugee camp.
Maxwell Gaylard, the UN humanitarian co-ordinator for the Palestinian territories, described the incidents as tragic and demanded an independent investigation. |
So while I generally agree that different media sources often yield different conclusions, the problem here is that even the prospect of alternative views being produced--to whatever degree of objectivity--is being denied by Israel. Even when it's demanded by outside actors.
And if it is a case of 'their-word-against-ours' (at least as it appears to us via the media,) then why not allow even the possibility of someone who might not have a political agenda to investigate and report on the scenario?
Better yet: what if the death toll was reversed; what if 6 people in Gaza were dead and 640 Israelis were dead?
I think it's safe to say that if this were the case, no such ban on foreign reporting/investigation would take place. |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by evil_cookie
So while I generally agree that different media sources often yield different conclusions, the problem here is that even the prospect of alternative views being produced--to whatever degree of objectivity--is being denied by Israel. Even when it's demanded by outside actors.
And if it is a case of 'their-word-against-ours' (at least as it appears to us via the media,) then why not allow even the possibility of someone who might not have a political agenda to investigate and report on the scenario?
Better yet: what if the death toll was reversed; what if 6 people in Gaza were dead and 640 Israelis were dead?
I think it's safe to say that if this were the case, no such ban on foreign reporting/investigation would take place. |
Israel is playing some dirty tricks here.
One of the first thing you try to control in a war is information. Israel will not win this aspect of this war though. Internet and satellite prevents this |
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