Originally posted by gummybear
hey tatgirl..why get testy with me? all i'm suggesting is how do we really know the intentions of any government? do you think there is any one government in this world that is %100 honest?
Because when you, or anyone else in this go-no-where discussion, throws the 'ethnic cleansing' argument around, you'd better have proof, cuz those are big words. No, there is no 100% honest government, but it certainly is not in Israel's desires to ethnic cleanse anyone. Its not hidden, its not secret, its just not gonna happen. Its own people wouldn't let it happen even if the 'government' tried to make it happen.
Unfortunately, many children in the territories are raised with stories of Jewish tourists coming to Israel, being handed guns, and are given the right to go shoot Arabs, as some sort of tourist package holiday option. Those kids dont even have a chance.
gummybear
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Originally posted by tatgirl
Because when you, or anyone else in this go-no-where discussion, throws the 'ethnic cleansing' argument around, you'd better have proof, cuz those are big words. No, there is no 100% honest government, but it certainly is not in Israel's desires to ethnic cleanse anyone. Its not hidden, its not secret, its just not gonna happen. Its own people wouldn't let it happen even if the 'government' tried to make it happen.
Unfortunately, many children in the territories are raised with stories of Jewish tourists coming to Israel, being handed guns, and are given the right to go shoot Arabs, as some sort of tourist package holiday option. Those kids dont even have a chance.
i don't recall saying anything about ethnic cleansing...you can quote me if i'm wrong..but....if there are theories that hamas wants to wipe out israel and the jews..would it be a far fetched notion to say that maybe..just maybe..israel feels the same way about the palestinians/muslims? or is israel the civilized side in all this..? recent weeks would show that they are not being civilized..unless you call committing human rightsd violations over and over again, the act of a civilized government...
DarV
Tatgirl spoken like a true zionist, ethnic cleansing has been the policy ever since the creation of Israel. Now if you re blind enough to see that and if you re blind enough to see what your OWN prime minister said then you re just being a hypocrit.
Israel has ethnicly cleansed palestine slowly slowly like the Nazis did to your own people. You should remember the suffering your forfathers had to go trough and how they were ethnically cleansed from germany YOU SHOULDNt be doing the same thing to others.
your own prime minister said that they would use terror assasinations to cleanse the palestinians what more do you need to understand that thats what they ve been doing ever since they came to palestine.
It is hard to imagine how much worse the situation could get, but the confrontation in Gaza could see a dangerous escalation in the coming days as Iran threatens to break the Israeli blockade and deliver urgently needed medical supplies and other aid to the coastal strip.
If the ground offensive currently underway in Gaza becomes a full-fledged occupation with the resultant removal of Hamas from authority, then the arrival of the MV Iran Shahed in the Mediterranean will be something of an anti-climax. Too little, too late.
But while even a small stretch of beach remains under Palestinian control, there is the frightening possibility that Iranian Red Crescent volunteers might attempt a landing.
There is no denying that what has long been described as a humanitarian crisis in Gaza is rapidly descending into a humanitarian catastrophe.
Despite the Israeli "withdrawal" from Gaza in 2005, the Jewish State controls all border crossings, airspace, and the coastline -- creating what critics have described as the largest open air prison in the world.
Following the victory of Hamas in parliamentary elections in 2006, the territory was essentially placed under siege, with increasing shortages of even the most basic of daily necessities.
Iran has been a vocal critic of Arab nations, Egypt in particular, for not doing enough to break the Israeli siege and help the 1.5 million people of Gaza, and it seems they have now taken things into their own hands.
Even at the best of times Iran's action would have been interpreted by US and Israeli authorities as a deliberate provocation. But given the rapid deterioration in the security situation over the past week, there are those who would accuse of Tehran of seeking a direct and possibly violent confrontation.
But whatever their motive, nobody should be surprised that Tehran is making a move.
"In recent years, in part due to poor US foreign policy decisions, Iran has been rising a power in the Middle East," says US-based political analyst and activist, Kevin Zeese.
"By taking this type of action, they will be admired by many people of Arab and Persian descent," he said.
Describing it as a "judo move" -- Zeese said through this non-violent action Iran will strengthen itself, and Israel will be weakened.
"It is a judo move that uses Israel's strength against them."
Zeese said it is a no-win situation for the Jewish State.
"If they block the supplies it will make them look more inhumane," he said, "but if they let them through it will simply highlight the need for such humanitarian supplies."
Professor Paul Sheldon Foote from California State University says it is time for decent people to act.
"Iran is correct for taking a stand," he said, "Iran and other Islamic countries should do even more, such as breaking diplomatic relations with Egypt and Saudi Arabia unless the leaders of those countries end the Israeli siege, massacres, and invasions of Gaza."
International human rights lawyer, Francis A. Boyle, however, doubts that any Arab countries have the stomach for a confrontation with Washington.
"As for the leaders of the Arab states, most of them are in the pocket of the United States," he said, "Look at the Arab League, a worthless talking shop."
He accused the Arab League only putting out meaningless statements in an attempt to convince their own people that they are doing something, but he said, "the Palestinians have always been on their own, and they know it."
Boyle, who has offered his services to the government of Iran to represent them in a lawsuit against Israel, says there are measures the international community should immediately consider to halt the bloodshed.
"A World Court lawsuit against Israel for genocide; reconvening the Emergency Special Session for Palestine by the UN General Assembly under the Uniting for Peace Resolution; comprehensive economic and other sanctions against Israel; and the suspension of Israel from all UN General Assembly activities, such as it did to South Africa and Yugoslavia."
The Emergency Special Session for Palestine was first convened in 1997 and officially remains "adjourned."
Hamas came to power in January 2006 through a fair and open election process. But according to many experts on the issue, their success had more to do with a deep dissatisfaction with Fatah rather than any particular support for Hamas policies.
Fatah's failure to strike a firm and lasting deal with the Israelis and allegations of endemic corruption were the prime factors that decided the outcome of the election.
The United States, the European Union and Israel immediately insisted that Hamas recognize the Jewish State and renounce violence.
Looks like Iran is the only country thats willing to make a move and try to help the people inside Gaza.
hardcore trancer
Simply speachless.
mdabat
This is complete non-sense, look at you people, living in the luxury and safety of Canada and arguing about the conflict, getting all political and philosophical about the conflict.
Here is a piece of news that should shut many of you up. This morning my girlfriend's cousin got shot in the head by an Israeli soldier, she was 17 years old. How do i know this? My girlfriend's parents live in Gaza. How am I dating a girl from Gaza? We are both international students.
For all of you who try to say im talking , here is a big YOU!
And I will end this with a simple comment: war never gets you anywhere, and arguing will never get you anywhere either. May god help Maha, who is currently suffering, i dearly hope she does not die.
DJ Damerchi
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Originally posted by mdabat
This is complete non-sense, look at you people, living in the luxury and safety of Canada and arguing about the conflict, getting all political and philosophical about the conflict.
Here is a piece of news that should shut many of you up. This morning my girlfriend's cousin got shot in the head by an Israeli soldier, she was 17 years old. How do i know this? My girlfriend's parents live in Gaza. How am I dating a girl from Gaza? We are both international students.
For all of you who try to say im talking , here is a big YOU!
And I will end this with a simple comment: war never gets you anywhere, and arguing will never get you anywhere either. May god help Maha, who is currently suffering, i dearly hope she does not die.
You cant disregard people's opinion just because they are fortunate enough to live away from bullets. This gives them access to heaps of knowledge, and the leisure time to get immersed into such topics and formulate an opinion. Would you rather them discuss and express their concerns or just be like, "oh is that a strip club downtown somewhere"
The matter of the fact is a large portion of even the palestinian academic community does not live in Palestine.
Its obvious that you're speaking out of passion, I can see where you are coming from, I have had similar experiences(Iraq), and it can be frustrating when you here some seemingly cold rhetoric that makes the poster look like he/she is a direct supporter of these evil actions.
Dont hate on people cause they live in Canada ;) they tend to be more balanced in their opinions than many areas in the world.
Best of luck to the Girl and her Fam
T_ALI
That sucks man. Hopefully she'll be ok.
I was in Lebanon last year visiting family, and we tried to get into Palestine to see what was going on but the Israeli soldiers wouldn't let us. I stll would love to visit Palestine someday.
Shade
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Originally posted by DarV
Shade
really you dont know what im trying to say with these quotes REALLY.
maybe you should take your head out of your ass and learn to read what your former prime minister said.
Use terror as in TERRORISM you dumbass
Israel = Terrorist state
First, the fact that you're running to curse at me and simply repeat a quote, shows that you're not actually making any statement. Would you like me to quote politicians and fanatics on the other side who hold radical and rather blatantly wrong positions? It really doesn't 'support' any point to do so.
tatgirl
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Originally posted by DarV
Tatgirl spoken like a true zionist, ethnic cleansing has been the policy ever since the creation of Israel. Now if you re blind enough to see that and if you re blind enough to see what your OWN prime minister said then you re just being a hypocrit.
Israel has ethnicly cleansed palestine slowly slowly like the Nazis did to your own people. You should remember the suffering your forfathers had to go trough and how they were ethnically cleansed from germany YOU SHOULDNt be doing the same thing to others.
your own prime minister said that they would use terror assasinations to cleanse the palestinians what more do you need to understand that thats what they ve been doing ever since they came to palestine.
either you re blind or you re a hypocrite.
Np, my dear, you are either a hypocrite, or really stupid. It is NOT Israel's policy to ethnic cleanse, either rapidly or slowly. There are no gas chambers, no hidden agenda, no tourist packages handing people guns to shoot arabs, nothing. I'm sorry if you cant wrap your head around it.
Targeted assasinations of militants does not = ethnic cleansing by any means. Is the US guilty of the same for going after Al Queda & their followers? Gimme a break.
Bottom line here folks, violence is getting them nowhere. Until they learn that negotiations is the only way to resolve this, this madness will continue.
gummybear
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Originally posted by mdabat
This is complete non-sense, look at you people, living in the luxury and safety of Canada and arguing about the conflict, getting all political and philosophical about the conflict.
Here is a piece of news that should shut many of you up. This morning my girlfriend's cousin got shot in the head by an Israeli soldier, she was 17 years old. How do i know this? My girlfriend's parents live in Gaza. How am I dating a girl from Gaza? We are both international students.
For all of you who try to say im talking , here is a big YOU!
And I will end this with a simple comment: war never gets you anywhere, and arguing will never get you anywhere either. May god help Maha, who is currently suffering, i dearly hope she does not die.
i am so sorry for what your gf and her family are going through...
i hope you know that there are some of us that truly care...i have shed many tears for the people of gaza...
please don't take offense to the conversation...communication and information sharing is not a bad thing....it would be worse if we didn't say anything...
Spam
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Originally posted by gummybear
...if there are theories that hamas wants to wipe out israel and the jews..
Theories? Please buddy, get a clue. Hamas has declared those intentions, publicly, clearly, and loudly. How the hell do you call THAT a 'theory'?
Attack Israel all you want, their tactics in this war and the civilian casualties that result are unacceptable. But STOP giving Hamas a free ride for their part in this conflict, they are FAR from innocent themselves.
