Originally posted by infinity HiGH
So how many people in this thread here condemned Russia for "defending" itself from Georgian attacks but are all for Israel defending itself against Hamas "terrorists"?
huh? two different issues
Georgia attacked breakaway regions (which happened to be full of ethnic russians).
StereoPrincess
can hamas just not be in power.
come on palestine pick someone better to lead you. time to grow up.
Stilez
Seems that the U.S' backing and support is a major factor in the actions that Israel decides to take against Palestine and surrounding neighbors. I'm curious as to the change in policies and measures Israel would take without the support of the most powerful country in the world?
How come every time Hamas breaks a ceasefire and starts launching rockets into Israel, Israel gets condemned when they retaliate?
Anas Attia
THE REVOULUTION WILL NOT BE TELEVISED
Dr. Z
I believe Obama will still back and support Israel, but if by chance he doesn't, I'm thinking Israel declares war on Iran. They're scared less of Iran's nukes.
But then again, that's if the US doesn't do it first...
For those referencing the UN and the US, just read up on the bombing of Serbia and Belgrade of 1999, and you'll see what kind of flop the whole organization is.
InfiniteEclipse
The United States only serve their own interests. They have previously worked with both Iran and Iraq, sometimes simultaneously (see Iran/Iraq war), as well as other countries (although immediate examples escape me), but only to the extent that they may see personal gains.
For instance, the US only held close relations with Saddam Hussein until he was no longer of any value. I can only speculate this is the same tone US holds towards other allies (Israel for instance). Although Obama has declared continued support for Israel, I wonder for how long.
I’m not saying “wait till Israel no longer has American support”. All I’m saying is the point already stressed – the American government uses and spits out countries as it pleases.
Anas Attia
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Originally posted by tatgirl
Is Hamas ever not pissed off? lol. srsly.
They better be pissed off.
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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
if you take religion out of the mix then almost all of these conflicts wouldn't have occurred...heck I would go as far as to say that the world, in general, would be a greater and more pleasant place to live.
Its not anything to do with Muslims being mad at Jews or vice versea. In my earlier post, I said i didn't believe in religion, but I must stress this is not a religious war. It is run by governments, who use region to anger their populations.
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Originally posted by Yohan
why? because Israel has tanks and fighter jets? :rolleyes:
it would be a one sided war if it was a conventional war but it's not.
both sides are fighting dirty, forced by circumstances
I hope after seeing my post you realized that both sides are not fighting dirty, only the Israeli army, and that only the Palestinians are forced by circumstances to fight back.
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Originally posted by Shade
+1
I dislike the comparison of number of deaths, as opposed to number of attacks. You can leave people shattered by constantly launching rockets and scaring the crap out of the citizens, arguably it does *more* damage to a community than an individual death (I really don't feel like discussing psychological issues - let's not play the nitpick game please).
Some friends of mine were helping clean up some of these cities and had to run to bomb shelters while cleaning up - they live in trauma. I'm heading over to Israel in less than 24 hours and will be doing some of the same work in my time there; this is utterly disgusting behavior on both ends, but to call it one sided and to put all the blame on that one side is complete ignorance.
I hope you see how scewd your entire comment is now, its not the Palestinians that are keeping this so called "war" hot, its the Israeli government that are insuring the so called "war" continues. And don't even start with the physiological implications of the people caught in this mess. if you watch Occupation 101, there is a section in there that talks specifically about this issue, you will see just how scarred Palestinians are, they are being turned into dogs in the streets.
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Originally posted by Shade
I did not say at *ANY* point that I condone everything that Israel does. However, it seems when Gaza is given an inch, they decide they can take a mile. The way Hamas is running things is for big political show and pity.
The world respects that, they also have the concept of 'consequences'. It's not the first time Palestinians elect fanatical leadership. Enough of the silly personal attacks, it gets you nowhere.
The leadership that is elected in Palestine is supported by most of the world leaders, its simply not supported by Americans, Israelis and Brits... There is nothing wrong with the leadership in Palestine, they are just labeled as terrorists, where the reality reveals they are mere victims of the American/Israeli war machine.
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Originally posted by tatgirl
They warn civilians beforehand, to limit casualties. This has ALWAYS been their policy, and I don't think you'll find many other militaries in the world who would offer that same courtesy in their attacks.
Honestly, when I read that sentence, I almost wanted to give up trying to show you guys the way, how in hell would you ever in a million years think that that is true???!?!!?!?!?! man, you are so far down the rabbit hole its almost unrepairable. My heart dropped when someone like you, just suggested that the Israeli military is compassionate. Please... think before you type.
How in hell is warning people inside a prison of an attack within the prison walls going to help those prisoners... its not like they can move out of the way! man.... . that comment seriously upsets me.
please don't disrespect the debate.
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Originally posted by Adam420
Hey Adam, I know your trying to reason the issue, but your way off, its far more complicated that that. Check out my earlier post, it'll help.
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Originally posted by StereoPrincess
can hamas just not be in power.
come on palestine pick someone better to lead you. time to grow up.
Again shallow argument, far more complicated than that.
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Originally posted by Spam
How come every time Hamas breaks a ceasefire and starts launching rockets into Israel, Israel gets condemned when they retaliate?
Why aren't you listening to anything I'm saying... learn more about the issue before posting, don't further the bias provide by the media. Thank you.
One last thing, have you noticed how much more vocal and irrational the comments coming from the Pro-Israeli side are... its because they are not based on fact, but mere opinion, suggestion and speculation.
Peace and Reason will prevail, the only obstacle is time...
tatgirl
Anas Attia- I'll ask again for the THIRD TIME:
Where is your condemnation of Hamas & these militants? Where is your desire for peace? What do you propose should be done- peace or destruction?
I'm glad you can post all these movie clips, but you wont answer the difference in both sides desires.
Anas Attia
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Originally posted by tatgirl
Anas Attia- I'll ask again for the THIRD TIME:
Where is your condemnation of Hamas & these militants? Where is your desire for peace? What do you propose should be done- peace or destruction?
I'm glad you can post all these movie clips, but you wont answer the difference in both sides desires.
You have to understand the problem first tatgirl, you do not, once the problem is understood then the solution could be conjured and evaluated.
The main problem is that THE problem is not understood. I hope you follow.
And clearly, you did not watch any of the material or do any research before commenting, as I had suspected.
infinity HiGH
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Originally posted by Spam
How come every time Hamas breaks a ceasefire and starts launching rockets into Israel, Israel gets condemned when they retaliate?
How come every time Israel provokes the enemy into action they're victimized? And why is it that that "enemies" actions are condemned but when the "good" guys do it, it's ok? Fighting for freedom and democracy and all that beautiful feel good movie stuff is OK. But the moment people fight for another version of "freedom" then all of the sudden they're terrorists, monsters, animals, etc.
