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Official 2005 MLB Season thread (pg. 32)
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| jonze234 |
| quote: | Originally posted by verndogs
his gold glove in 1999 :wtf: |
the steriods gave him super vision and the reflexes of a jungle cat. :wtf: :p |
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| Eddie N MIAMI |
| quote: | Originally posted by trunks1022
raffy palmeiro suspended 10 games for steroid use |
no way ...REALLY!!!!.....:p
no suprise there.....us guys my age were just raised watchin guy with roids, its no secret anymore of course...kinda sad huh...then again players before the 80s used to do alot of illegal (non steroids) too(mainly the pitchers , Gaylord perry cough...)
so when you think about it...baseball = *************** anyways
ima start calling it *ball :D |
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| verndogs |
| quote: | Originally posted by jonze234
the steriods gave him super vision and the reflexes of a jungle cat. :wtf: :p |
for all 15 games he played at 1B that year :wtf: :haha: |
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| jonze234 |
15 games up. i think the white flags are flying across the AL Central. :p
anyone hear the rumors that griffey is going to go on waivers? |
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| Shamez214 |
| You can't place asterisks next to his stats... Why do people always say that? |
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| trunks1022 |
| bret boone once again got dumped LOL |
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| jonze234 |
| quote: | Originally posted by trunks1022
bret boone once again got dumped LOL |
i wonder if he cried like when seattle dumped him. |
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| Member of X |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shamez214
You can't place asterisks next to his stats... Why do people always say that? |
They used to have an asterisk next to Roger Maris' record of 61 HR's because it came in more games than Babe Ruth. They later took it out. But I think in these cases it's more of a mental asterisk about the records.
Bret Boone was DEFINITELY on the juice!! He hasn't strutted the show boating HR swing in awhile... too bad. |
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| Member of X |
| Ryan Franklin today busted for doing the juice. Wow... just think if he didn't have it.. the guy is 6-11 with a 4.61 ERA this year. Yikes!! |
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| Shamez214 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Member of X
They used to have an asterisk next to Roger Maris' record of 61 HR's because it came in more games than Babe Ruth. They later took it out. But I think in these cases it's more of a mental asterisk about the records.
Bret Boone was DEFINITELY on the juice!! He hasn't strutted the show boating HR swing in awhile... too bad. |
I know about Maris' asterisk. But... it can't be proven that these guys 'cheated' back when they compiled their numbers. Plus, it wasn't against MLB rules back then. When Bonds hit 73, it was perfectly legal.
Not to mention that if they get asterisk'd, then players like Cy Young and Eddie Ciccotte's stats should be asterisk'd as well for using shine/spit/scuff balls. They were legal while they were using them, but then became illegal. Same with Satchel Paige's hesitation pitch. |
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| Member of X |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shamez214
I know about Maris' asterisk. But... it can't be proven that these guys 'cheated' back when they compiled their numbers. Plus, it wasn't against MLB rules back then. When Bonds hit 73, it was perfectly legal.
Not to mention that if they get asterisk'd, then players like Cy Young and Eddie Ciccotte's stats should be asterisk'd as well for using shine/spit/scuff balls. They were legal while they were using them, but then became illegal. Same with Satchel Paige's hesitation pitch. |
And Gaylord Perry's spitball. I agree you can never say for certain when they were using them, etc. It's arbitrary to whom gets an asterisk (how could one really decide) meaning it would never happen or should happen. But I think that the home run records by Bonds, McGwire, and Sosa are at least severly tainted and people like me won't consider them true. That's my mental asterisk. Obviously you can't go back in time and test them anyway. There's no proof.
I get ya, I'm not disagreeing here.
By the way, Jim Thome on the juice?
:rolleyes: |
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| Shamez214 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Member of X
And Gaylord Perry's spitball. I agree you can never say for certain when they were using them, etc. It's arbitrary to whom gets an asterisk (how could one really decide) meaning it would never happen or should happen. But I think that the home run records by Bonds, McGwire, and Sosa are at least severly tainted and people like me won't consider them true. That's my mental asterisk. Obviously you can't go back in time and test them anyway. There's no proof.
I get ya, I'm not disagreeing here.
By the way, Jim Thome on the juice?
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I wouldn't be surprised. Not many people would surprise me, to be honest.
But, personally, steroids or no steroids, Barry Bonds is the best player of my generation. You're a little older so it may be different for you. But as far as players I was able to see play everyday, Bonds is the best. Better than Griffey in his prime, even. And I love Griffey. |
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