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Official 2005 MLB Season thread (pg. 53)
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| Dj Smitty20 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shamez214
Everyone says that about their team. Mets fans think they're anti-Mets. Yankee fans think they're anti-Yankee. Etc. |
They're definitely pro Red Sox, that's for sure.
They're also anti-Canadian teams in hockey, but that's another story.
I love Ortiz, don't get me wrong but I'm a firm believer that a position player should win the MVP because he contributes in every aspect of the game. Look at what Arod did in the last game against Toronto on Sunday. Ortiz can't win games like that...Arod can, and does, do both.
Without Arod, the Yanks' wouldn't be where they are. But you could say that about a lot of guys...without Rivera, or even Aaron Small this season. But take away Ortiz from Boston, and they'd be several games out of first. So that is a very valid point. |
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| Shamez214 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
Without Arod, the Yanks' wouldn't be where they are. But you could say that about a lot of guys...without Rivera, or even Aaron Small this season. But take away Ortiz from Boston, and they'd be several games out of first. So that is a very valid point. |
That's really the only thing I have to distinguish the two. But, IMO, the best player in the AL this year was David Ortiz. He doesn't play defense, true. But, let's say he did play defense and was TERRIBLE, but put up the exact same numbers. Would he be the MVP then? Or does the MVP have to play good defense as well? Because Ted Williams won two MVPs... and supposedly, he was worse than Manny in Left Field. |
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| verndogs |
As much as I'm a firm believer in a positional player getting the MVP....
Ortiz deserves it hands down |
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| Eddie N MIAMI |
Ive never heard any of the past MVPs winning cause of how they play on the field, they always focus on the bat stats. So its kinda funny how their treating Ortiz.
Willis for Cy Young ;) |
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| Mebot |
| quote: | Originally posted by LeopoldStotch
CY Young :
roger clemens
cris carpenter
chris cordero
*note* i did not add dontrelle willis, because cordero deserves it more .. how many times has he bailed out the failing nationals bats in the 9th inning ..
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Chad Cordero, not Chris ;)
And the Orioles have let go Raffy Palmeiro. He was scheduled to start play against the Red Sox today. I don't blame the Orioles, though. it;s a shame his career ended like this (although he is thinking about the 2006 season, I doubt he'll be playing.) |
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| Shamez214 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Eddie N MIAMI
Ive never heard any of the past MVPs winning cause of how they play on the field, they always focus on the bat stats. So its kinda funny how their treating Ortiz.
Willis for Cy Young ;) |
Dude... I hope you're not serious about Willis just because you're from Miami... |
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| LeopoldStotch |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mebot
Chad Cordero, not Chris ;)
And the Orioles have let go Raffy Palmeiro. He was scheduled to start play against the Red Sox today. I don't blame the Orioles, though. it;s a shame his career ended like this (although he is thinking about the 2006 season, I doubt he'll be playing.) |
thanks .. yeah chad .. i was probably drunk while typing that post .. :wtf: ...
anyways, back to raffy .. of all the classless things. a couple of days ago, he pointed the finger at miguel tejada, and said he suppiled him some steroids. :rolleyes:   |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shamez214
Dude... with no steroids, not many players are going to jack 50 anymore. Where/how he hit the HRs does not matter. Also, the strike out is a very overrated stat. Would you rather have Andruw Jones strike out with a runner on 1st? Or... ground into an inning ending/rally killy double play? I'd take the former any day of the weak. Also, batting average does not matter either.
Also, that hitting drought should only make his stats now even more impressive. He has totally carried the Braves. Without him, they would be terrible.
This is the same scenario as Allen Iverson last year. The 76ers are not the best team in the NBA. Not even close. But, without AI, they would be worse than the Knicks. With him, they make the playoffs. The Braves, without Andruw, would be terrible. With him, they are the NL East champs yet again... |
Well, as for Andruw Jones ... I have been watching Braves all season long, so here's my case on him. Early in the season (April/May/beginning of June) he hit about .220 or so, with about 5 HR. In late June/July/August he hit over .300 with amazing numbers. Since then he has been slumping again. I saw him ground out in 3 double plays in the last 3 games, including yesterday's game. The fact that he has so many RBIs is that he is in a position in the lineup to drive in runs, as Furcal, Chipper, Giles and sometimes Francouer (at one point he was in the 3rd spot) got on base during his hot streak.
However, if he does get the MVP - I'll be happy, for my team too. Honestly, I just dont think he deserves it. I am not even sure about Pujors either. We'll see. I think the MVP will be chosen by popularity of choice, so it shouldn't be surprising ...
As for NL Cy Young I expect to see in top 3:
'D-Train' Willis
'Rocket' Clemens
Chris Carpenter
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| LeopoldStotch |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
Chris Carpenter
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he needs a new nickname, since he has done so well the past 2 years ..
we shall now call him :
'georgia carpet outlet' carpenter
chris "car painter"
'craftsman' carpenter |
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| Acid Circus |
As a cards fan I would love Pujols and Carp to win MVP and Cy Young respectively but something tells me they won't get it.
Pujols deserves one for his sheer consistency over the past 4 years let alone his superb year this year. This year his defence has improved a lot, early on in the season he dug out a lot of poor throws from Eckstein that won the Cards a lot of games. For sheer hitting prowess nobody denies he is in the top few current players in this area and what would be a career year for most guys is just another season for Albert. I would suggest that in the Jones vs Pujols battle that Pujols has better stats in nearly everything except home runs and RBI's, that includes runs scored and slugging percentage and a far superior batting average and on base percentage.
As for Carp, I thought he had it sown up but the last 3 starts have been pretty poor. Had he kept his sheer brilliance going I think he would have won Cy Young hands down, but the last 3 starts might just swing it for the Rocket. |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by Acid Circus
I would suggest that in the Jones vs Pujols battle that Pujols has better stats in nearly everything except home runs and RBI's, that includes runs scored and slugging percentage and a far superior batting average and on base percentage.
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Don't forget to add that Andruw Jones is also better in fielding/outfield assists category - a strong Gold Glove candidate :toothless |
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| LeopoldStotch |
just for references ...
click here
andrew jones currently has a .267 BA
andre dawson - cubs - 1987 - .287 BA
dale murphy - braves - 1982 - .281 BA
johnny bench - reds - 1972 - .270 BA
harmon kilebrew - twins - 1969 - .276 BA
a-rod - rangers - 2003 - .298 BA |
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