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The Television Show Recommendation Thread (pg. 61)
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| Meat187 |
I expected typical fanboy replies like that, where the solution to every complaint is just watching more of the show.
The funny thing is how Stu just leaves it at that while PKC replies to every single point I made with "watch more of the show and you'll realize how great it is". It should be renamed to "A State of Battlestar Galactica" imho. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Meat187
I expected typical fanboy replies like that, where the solution to every complaint is just watching more of the show.
The funny thing is how Stu just leaves it at that while PKC replies to every single point I made with "watch more of the show and you'll realize how great it is". It should be renamed to "A State of Battlestar Galactica" imho. |
Im not a fanboy. BSG has some rather huge problems that really ruined parts of the series and i accept valid criticism easily. You have not identified them however. At no stage did I tell you to watch more of the show, I was pointing out that most of your issues were just plain ignorant- like complaining about issues that appear out of the blue, when in fact they were telegraphed in the damn pilot (which you should have already watched if you're watching the show in order).
I stated earlier that I accept no show is for everyone. All I care about is accuracy, and you weren’t accurate (for the most part). |
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| Meat187 |
As for Zak's death, yes, it was in the miniseries. But I didn't remember about Starbuck's role in it and the conflict with Adama. Maybe because that wasn't in there or maybe because it's been a while since I watched the miniseries. I can't be bothered to find out, since, as I said, it was still the part I liked best about the episode.
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
You have not identified them however. |
I have. I pointed out two instances of terrible storytelling. To which your silly answers were "it was an accident and it shows how crappy the ship is" and "it was slightly different than the formula" followed by bitching about inaccurate language. Are you seriously telling me that cliché-loaded ending is saved by the fact that a viper was destroyed? Even thinking one has anything to do with the other makes it impossible to continue such a retarded discussion.
So both times you completely ignored the points I made about how a movie should function and replied with something on the level of the "it works in a club"-argument. If you don't know or care about structure, narration and the way a movie works, fine, it's a matter of taste. But stop bothering people who know and understand these things with your ignorance. Clearly we were not even talking about the same thing there, so the wisest would be to not talk at all. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Meat187
As for Zak's death, yes, it was in the miniseries. But I didn't remember about Starbuck's role in it and the conflict with Adama. Maybe because that wasn't in there or maybe because it's been a while since I watched the miniseries. I can't be bothered to find out, since, as I said, it was still the part I liked best about the episode. |
it was in the miniseries. starbuck confessed to lee her role in his brother's death, which played a part in he being able to forgive his father's perceived role. but no, starbuck didnt come clean to adama until your fave episode :p
| quote: | Originally posted by Meat187
I have. I pointed out two instances of terrible storytelling. To which your silly answers were "it was an accident and it shows how crappy the ship is" |
i dont understand why its crappy storytelling (the death of the pilots)? galactica was meant to be de-commissioned in the pilot and happens. sure, they could've just got starbuck to train more pilots to introduce the conflict with the commander, but it provided better context/contrast re starbuck's personal issues with her new role of trainer. i mean really, by your standards half the show "didn't need to happen"; why did lee have to shoot down the olympic carrier? why does boomer have to destroy galactica's water supplies?
| quote: | Originally posted by Meat187
Are you seriously telling me that cliché-loaded ending is saved by the fact that a viper was destroyed? Even thinking one has anything to do with the other makes it impossible to continue such a retarded discussion. |
haha, yeah its cliched i just don't think he "saved the day" is all and i dont think its a big deal in the overall 75-odd eps. he went up against the cylons and lost, though survived. tbh the ending to the second part of the episode is way less palatable/believable (to this fan at least). don't watch any more meat! :D
| quote: | Originally posted by Meat187
So both times you completely ignored the points I made about how a movie should function and replied with something on the level of the "it works in a club"-argument. If you don't know or care about structure, narration and the way a movie works, fine, it's a matter of taste. But stop bothering people who know and understand these things with your ignorance. Clearly we were not even talking about the same thing there, so the wisest would be to not talk at all. |
yeah, you're a real expert :stongue: i get you didn't like it, and i feel the same way about many other choices made by the writers. i just dont see its seriousness in the whole 'im not going to watch this again' vein. if you're expecting perfection from any television show it's a miracle you can tolerate anything. you have to give a bit of latitude; but definitely don't continue with the show. there's way worse stuff to come! :p |
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| Meat187 |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
i dont understand why its crappy storytelling (the death of the pilots)?
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The thing is that I imagine some production meeting going like:
- OK guys, we need to set Starbuck up to train some pilots
- We could just tell the audience that more pilots are needed
- Yeah, but that's so lame. We can do a cool episode opener where something exciting happens in the beginning. It will capture all the Michael Bay fans' attention.
I just don't like it when I get the feeling that a large scale event is just there to be spectacular and to set up things when it could have been done easier and in a more logic way. I consider it crappy because good storytelling feels natural and easy, one event smoothly follows the other. An unlikely accident that kills some people and is immediately shrugged off because it doesn't matter as an event but just as a way to move things forward is a huge bump in the road for me.
Don't get me wrong, I don't expect perfection and I know I'm nitpicking here and there. But in the end it's always those "little" things that make a show or movie good or bad for me. In this case I'm bitching because I had high expectations and it let me down. Leave me my fun!
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
tbh the ending to the second part of the episode is way less palatable/believable (to this fan at least). don't watch any more meat! :D |
That actually makes me curious. Please tell me it's not Starbuck stranded on a planet, they send a search party, don't find her, all hope seems lost but someone to whom she's dear (Adama?) stubbornly insists to continue searching. And just at the very moment when he's about to quit (or something bad will happen because he refuses to) she appears and is saved. If that happens my ing head will explode. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
:stongue: as a general rule i dont give out spoilers of my fave shows, but in this instance i may have to warn you (again) not to watch the next episode! :D
as far as your other criticism, i can certainly see where you're coming from. but being as its tv scifi, isn't dramatic and exaggerated situations kind've the point? i actually felt most of the plot from pilot => halfway thru season 2 felt mostly natural. things go bad after that though. |
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| Meat187 |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
:stongue: as a general rule i dont give out spoilers of my fave shows, but in this instance i may have to warn you (again) not to watch the next episode! :D |
Really?! :wtf: :stongue: :wtf:
Well, me, I need to watch it just to see how close I was. :stongue: :stongue: :stongue:
Edit: Also, I complain even about shows I love. I surely mentioned that House is one of my favorite shows, yet I get pissed at retarded things in episodes or too much silly drama all the time. I can't change it, when it comes to movies I'm an overly critical dick. |
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| Fledz |
| Sometimes you just don't like something, what's wrong with that? Stu and PKC don't like Stargate which makes them giant gobblers, but that's ok. It's fiiiiiine. |
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| Meat187 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
Stu and PKC don't like Stargate which makes them giant gobblers, but that's ok. It's fiiiiiine. |
If you're talking about the TV show then Stu and PKC are absolutely right. |
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| bananas |
| which episodes of House did you like the most, which ones did you dislike the most, meat? |
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| shaw |
| quote: | Originally posted by Meat187
That actually makes me curious. Please tell me it's not Starbuck stranded on a planet, they send a search party, don't find her, all hope seems lost but someone to whom she's dear (Adama?) stubbornly insists to continue searching. And just at the very moment when he's about to quit (or something bad will happen because he refuses to) she appears and is saved. If that happens my ing head will explode. |
If this dilemma is going to frustrate you, you may as well not watch the show. :stongue: |
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| Moongoose |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
Sometimes you just don't like something, what's wrong with that? Stu and PKC don't like Stargate which makes them giant gobblers, but that's ok. It's fiiiiiine. |
They just dont get the genius that is Rodney McKay
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXAaUQYQwXE#t=56s |
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