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| Chimney |
| This thread used to be much more fun when I was posting pictures of European guidos. |
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| netroM |
also, :wtf: @ huge cockroach |
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| prolikewhoa |
| quote: | Originally posted by netroM
also, :wtf: @ huge cockroach |
:wtf: that is amazing! |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Oh, for Christ's sake! My turn to be honest... |
oh, whoops, i forgot... i'm a transsexual, and i'm supposed to take any attention i can get, and then shut my mouth and be grateful.
Do you go up to black people in the US and say 'OMG you're so black, so I think you'll find this picture of black people so interesting!'?
http://kiriamaya.tumblr.com/post/11...d-of-a-bit-of-a
You are 'The Self-Proclaimed Ally'.
With maybe a dash of 'The What About Teh Cis Whiner' and 'The Free Speech Whiner'
And as far as pronouns go: If a person identifies as female, that person is 'she'. That person's past is now 'hers' even if 'she' was assigned male at birth. See how that works?
Sheesh. Nice guy. All this abusive language just because I said I didn't find your link as interesting as you may have hoped. Your behavior is not much different from the guy at the bar a few weeks ago who forced himself on me and tried to kiss me and then called me a slur when I pushed him off and said 'You should be grateful I'm giving you attention, no other straight guy in this city would give you the time of day'.
Glad you were honest though. |
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| Vector A |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
Do you go up to black people in the US and say 'OMG you're so black, so I think you'll find this picture of black people so interesting!'? |
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| prolikewhoa |
| wow... that seemed to just pick apart people for various reactions to something they have no prior exposure to. aren't people entitled to react to something they don't understand, even if you don't like it? does it make them bad people to have questions, to be curious, to try and draw their own conclusions about transsexualism? how would you ask someone to be? from all your posts it seems like everyone is responding in a way you find offensive. it must be tiring to feel like absolutely everyone is a bigot and wants to attack you. i didn't think lira said anything offensive at all, and even tried to connect with you on some common ground. in my opinion, the transgender community has some of the bravest, most amazing people i've ever had the pleasure of meeting. why not draw attention to the positive instead of being so defensive? |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by prolikewhoa
wow... that seemed to just pick apart people for various reactions to something they have no prior exposure to. aren't people entitled to react to something they don't understand, even if you don't like it? does it make them bad people to have questions, to be curious, to try and draw their own conclusions about transsexualism? how would you ask someone to be? from all your posts it seems like everyone is responding in a way you find offensive. it must be tiring to feel like absolutely everyone is a bigot and wants to attack you. i didn't think lira said anything offensive at all, and even tried to connect with you on some common ground. in my opinion, the transgender community has some of the bravest, most amazing people i've ever had the pleasure of meeting. why not draw attention to the positive instead of being so defensive? |
i don't think what he posted was at all offensive, just uninteresting to me. but he did reveal himself as a bigot in his 'honest' reply. |
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| Vector A |
| Lira, I think one reason the "Whoa, look at this person's transformation; it's so convincing!" thing is offensive, is that it kind of presumes that putting on a good "illusion" and "fitting in" with current gender norms re: looks is the "proper" goal of a transition. Even if that might not be the connotation you intended. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vector A
Lira, I think one reason the "Whoa, look at this person's transformation; it's so convincing!" thing is offensive, is that it kind of presumes that putting on a good "illusion" and "fitting in" with current gender norms re: looks is the "proper" goal of a transition. Even if that might not be the connotation you intended. |
See I don't really find it offensive in a personal way, but what youre saying is absolutely right. I would say that it's more beside the point to me, at best, and at worst it focuses on the wrong aspects of transition, and the worst things about gender stereotypes. (eg that a woman has to be pretty to be successful)
The 'convincing' thing is however, offensive, because that implies something not authentic about someone's identity, whereby that person's transsexual identity is less valid than a cissexual identity. I didn't get that Lira was talking about it in this way though, or that he even cares so much about the link. I just find these kinds of 'stories' about transition to be really unfortunately contrived in terms of cis-sexist expectations, and I'm trying to raise the discourse for everyone. I thought Lira would appreciate that, since he's academic.
See - JBJ gets it, and doesn't ask for brownie points. |
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| prolikewhoa |
| maybe i underestimate how close-minded people can be because of my own upbringing. i've been around members of the lgbt community since i was a baby - i grew up in a unitarian chuch with many gay and lesbian members, and my best friend's aunt is transgender so that was never an issue for me. i would never dream of referring to her as a "he." it's just a matter of respect. and you know, just for the record, the bi community is somewhat ostracized too. i can't tell you how many gays and lesbians don't believe we're really bi, especially with bi men. i think that's especially sad. the point is, there are misconceptions all around. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by prolikewhoa
maybe i underestimate how close-minded people can be because of my own upbringing. i've been around members of the lgbt community since i was a baby - i grew up in a unitarian chuch with many gay and lesbian members, and my best friend's aunt is transgender so that was never an issue for me. i would never dream of referring to her as a "he." it's just a matter of respect. and you know, just for the record, the bi community is somewhat ostracized too. i can't tell you how many gays and lesbians don't believe we're really bi, especially with bi men. i think that's especially sad. the point is, there are misconceptions all around. |
Yeah I am bisexual too, and actually it's something that puts tension into my relationship with the radical queer community, that I am attracted to and available to straight people, straight men no less. That makes me a 'bad radical' in their eyes. In bed with the enemy and all that :p |
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