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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | | Although the effective range of the weapon is only 400m (most modern sniper rifles have an effective range of 1000m), the fire rate of 30 rounds/min in automatic mode make up for this. However, the rate of fire in standard sniper mode is only around 5 rounds/min. |
It's a sniper rifle that has less than half the effective range of most sniper rifles. So essentially it's an assault rifle with a high-powered scope. |
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| Chimney |
| quote: | Originally posted by Acton
I'm a marksman and used to regularly participate in competitive shooting of various calibers, with ranges from 20 to 800 meters, so I like to think I can at least comment on it. |
Well I'm not, so maybe a plain explanation for someone who doesn't know these things, thus the question, would be good, without having to jump at my throat.
| quote: | | It's a sniper rifle that has half the effective range of most sniper rifles. So essentially it's an assault rifle with a high-powered scope. |
Ok, seems valid. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Chimney
This is based on your expertize of weapons or something? If the situation calls, a long rage fully automatic weapon can have its purpose. |
There are lots of long range fully automatic weapons; however, there is no way to "snipe" in full auto. When it comes to actual sniper operations (as opposed to say just sharp shooting) it is all about math... distance to target, weight of round, powder charge, altitude, wind, barometric preassure, humidity, temperature, etc... are all variables that need to taken into consideration to determine exactly how one needs to aim in order to hit the target; such a complex process does not lend itself to multiple shots in rapid succession let alone full auto. Additionally, the margin of error for a long shot is tiny, any minor movement of the weapon will result in a major movement in the point of impact. The first shot will unquenstionably move the rifle thus the second shot will have no reasonable probability of landing anywhere near the target over a long range, each successive shot gets worse and worse. Ultimately, there is no need for a fully automatic "sniper" rifle because there is no application in which a "sniper" would use even a three round burst let alone full auto. The application for full auto is short to medium range suppression, not something a sniper team is likely to need; however, if necessary the spotter on a sniper team will normally carry an assult rifle (perhaps two for a three person team). |
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| Dykes_on_Jay |
they do it for hillbilly americans that love guns but never went to war.
stealth is never 500 bullets. every extra shot means the chance of being located is higher. even fully suppressed with a flash muzzle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longes...ed_sniper_kills
i was wrong about one thing, but you were wrong about everything.
"something was made for purchase by the general public for covert warfare. yeehaw, stick it in your grandma" |
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| Acton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
There are lots of long range fully automatic weapons; however, there is no way to "snipe" in full auto. When it comes to actual sniper operations (as opposed to say just sharp shooting) it is all about math... distance to target, weight of round, powder charge, altitude, wind, barometric preassure, humidity, temperature, etc... are all variables that need to taken into consideration to determine exactly how one needs to aim in order to hit the target; such a complex process does not lend itself to multiple shots in rapid succession let alone full auto. Additionally, the margin of error for a long shot is tiny, any minor movement of the weapon will result in a major movement in the point of impact. The first shot will unquenstionably move the rifle thus the second shot will have no reasonable probability of landing anywhere near the target over a long range, each successive shot gets worse and worse. Ultimately, there is no need for a fully automatic "sniper" rifle because there is no application in which a "sniper" would use even a three round burst let alone full auto. The application for full auto is short to medium range suppression, not something a sniper team is likely to need; however, if necessary the spotter on a sniper team will normally carry an assult rifle (perhaps two for a three person team). |
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| Chimney |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
There are lots of long range fully automatic weapons; however, there is no way to "snipe" in full auto. When it comes to actual sniper operations (as opposed to say just sharp shooting) it is all about math... distance to target, weight of round, powder charge, altitude, wind, barometric preassure, humidity, temperature, etc... are all variables that need to taken into consideration to determine exactly how one needs to aim in order to hit the target; such a complex process does not lend itself to multiple shots in rapid succession let alone full auto. Additionally, the margin of error for a long shot is tiny, any minor movement of the weapon will result in a major movement in the point of impact. The first shot will unquenstionably move the rifle thus the second shot will have no reasonable probability of landing anywhere near the target over a long range, each successive shot gets worse and worse. Ultimately, there is no need for a fully automatic "sniper" rifle because there is no application in which a "sniper" would use even a three round burst let alone full auto. The application for full auto is short to medium range suppression, not something a sniper team is likely to need; however, if necessary the spotter on a sniper team will normally carry an assult rifle (perhaps two for a three person team). |
Thanks for the explanation. |
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| Dykes_on_Jay |
| i was just a grunt with a blue helmet. great post moral, because i flame. |
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| Lunar Phase 7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dykes_on_Jay
i was just a grunt with a blue helmet. great post moral, because i flame. |
Why do you have so many aliases? |
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| Joss Weatherby |
That thing is such a POS. I wouldn't throw it into the same class as many other marksmens rifles, purely because the 9x39 is a subsonic, short range round. The gun is used by Russian special forces.
Chimney, snipers, at least independent recon snipers, work in teams, in groups of two or three. Shooter, spotter, security. The spotter and security have semi-automatic/burst fire weapons.
Almost no one shoots full auto unless they are using a GPMG or automatic rifle (that term means something different in military parlance than it does in common reference) like the M249 or M240, where the point is to deliver large volumes of suppressing fire.
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Ah, I see Moral Hazard covered this. :p |
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| Dykes_on_Jay |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7
Why do you have so many aliases? |
because your mum doesn't love you. |
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| srussell0018 |
| Being the spotter in a sniper team must be so lame. |
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