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Edm Genres? (pg. 17)
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Aramis
lol - There is so much German and British EDM that predates the quoted US "originators" that I can only laugh. Compare German and British synth-pop of the late 70's and early 80's to current Eurodance and you might begin to understand. Check out Kraftwerk, Art of Noise, Human League, New Order, Eurythmics, Bronski Beat/Communards and a gazillion others. And we're not talking obscure esoterica here, but mainstream top-ten pop that was thrashed both on the radio and in clubs
Trance and Eurodance are characterised by the total absence of the dick-swinging egotism that is intrinsic in not only US dance music, but in US pop culture in general. Try to step outside of the UScentric delusion and recognise that the US is of minimal significance in the evolution of trance and Eurodance - even Australia, Canada and Israel have contributed more! Well, ok - maybe not Australia :) |
"minimal significance" in the EDM scene?
Ever heard of Disco?
Ever heard of a little genre called House?
Ever heard a little guy named Frankie Knuckles?
Ever heard of "Jamie Principle's"?
Ever heard of Marshall Jefferson?
Ever heard of Afrika Bambaata?
Ever heard of Detroit Techno?
Ever heard of Juan Atkins?
Ever heard of Derrick May?
Ever heard of Kevin Saunderson?
Ever heard of Brian Transeau?
Ever heard of Gabriel & Dresden?
Shall i go on?:rolleyes: |
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| auranaut |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
Ever heard of Gabriel & Dresden?
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Oh come on! :p |
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| sandstorm03 |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
"minimal significance" in the EDM scene?
Ever heard of Disco?
Ever heard of a little genre called House?
Ever heard a little guy named Frankie Knuckles?
Ever heard of "Jamie Principle's"?
Ever heard of Marshall Jefferson?
Ever heard of Afrika Bambaata?
Ever heard of Detroit Techno?
Ever heard of Juan Atkins?
Ever heard of Derrick May?
Ever heard of Kevin Saunderson?
Ever heard of Brian Transeau?
Ever heard of Gabriel & Dresden?
Shall i go on?:rolleyes: |
Rabbit in the moon
justin scott dixon
Mike Hiratzka
deep dish |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by auranaut
Oh come on! :p |
like it or not it's true.....:p |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by sandstorm03
Rabbit in the moon
justin scott dixon
Mike Hiratzka
deep dish |
exactly bro...
I am so tired of friggen non-US kids blabbing away about how the US has no influence and Europe is it....thats such bull...Disco (whether u like it or not) is the roots of House...and if u trace Trance back...where do u get? HOUSE then DISCO.....
People over look the impact Disco had on the scene...if it wasnt for the whole death to disco era, who knows what would of happened in Chicago...
America has a major influence on EDM... |
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| sandstorm03 |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
exactly bro...
I am so tired of friggen non-US kids blabbing away about how the US has no influence and Europe is it....thats such bull...Disco (whether u like it or not) is the roots of House...and if u trace Trance back...where do u get? HOUSE then DISCO.....
People over look the impact Disco had on the scene...if it wasnt for the whole death to disco era, who knows what would of happened in Chicago...
America has a major influence on EDM... |
how do they think their artists get paid:conf: . |
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| Ishkur |
sandstorm03, emperorhui, Hydarnes: why don't you guys just come forth and admit that you are racists. It saves all of us pages of arguing to just assign you to the "bigot bin" and ignore you for now on.
As for electronic music's greatest influence and contributors...I'm going to cutnpaste what I said from my tutorial:
Now, pay attention, because I'm only going to say this once.
All electronic music that exists today originated in three principle nerve centres: The Caribbean (Jamaica), the American Midwest (Detroit and Chicago), and Western Europe (France, Italy and Germany). There are other hot points that have contributed lots of good things along the way, like Japan, India, Great Britain, Scandinavia and other areas of America, but chiefly these are the Big Three.
The Caribbean fermented reggae and dub, introduced MCing, exported rapping to New York where it promptly became the most popular music in the world, kickstarted dancehall and DJing, and is the womb of all flavours and styles of Breakbeat and Jungle.
The American Midwest enriched us with jazz, soul, RnB, funk and blues, morphed into electro, merged with hip hop, toyed with disco, championed the 'black gay club' aesthete, combined all-night dancing with ecstasy, and was the flowerbed of Techno and House.
Western Europe cultivated electronic instruments, attracted freaky arthouse intellectual scenes like the futurists, dadaists, existentialists, and beats which helped found post-modernism, developed minimalism and musique concrete which transformed into industrial, created spacey film soundtracks, ambient and krautrock, and is the test tube of Trance, Hardcore and Downtempo. |
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| sandstorm03 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
sandstorm03, emperorhui, Hydarnes: why don't you guys just come forth and admit that you are racists. It saves all of us pages of arguing to just assign you to the "bigot bin" and ignore you for now on. |
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| emperorhui |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
exactly bro...
I am so tired of friggen non-US kids blabbing away about how the US has no influence and Europe is it....thats such bull...Disco (whether u like it or not) is the roots of House...and if u trace Trance back...where do u get? HOUSE then DISCO.....
People over look the impact Disco had on the scene...if it wasnt for the whole death to disco era, who knows what would of happened in Chicago...
America has a major influence on EDM... |
America has had an enormous impact 'EDM'. However, this excitement [if there was any at all], only existed here for a very short time. The lack of support the music has in America these days shows that it has since moved on to be a largely European genre [ok and a bit Asian as I've noticed]. Also, don't forget what is still in question: Is hip-hop EDM? If so, should there be a separate classification for the more Eurocentric genres since they are so dissimilar?
I have here a piece of evidence to support a previous claim.
"There are many ways to make techno, but a typical techno production is created using a compositional technique that developed to suit the genre's sequencer-driven, electronic instrumentation. While this technique is rooted in a Western music framework (as far as scales, rhythm and meter, and the general role played by each type of instrument), it does not typically employ traditional approaches to composition such as reliance on the playing of notes, the use of overt tonality and melody, or the generation of accompaniment for vocals. Some of the most effective techno music consists of little more than cleverly programmed drum patterns that interplay with different types of reverb and frequency filtering, mixed in such a way that it's not clear where the instrument's timbres end and the effects begin." -http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Techno+music&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1
I'd like to point your attention to that line, "rooted in Western music framework." This implies that although the music was created by African Americans, they were undoubtedly influenced by Western culture rather than the traditional African found in hip-hop.
Note that the site also states that although the music originated in the US, its mainstream popularity has always been in Europe. Of course, one can't really trust this kind of site since it does not cite its own resources so much of this may be flawed. |
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| emperorhui |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
sandstorm03, emperorhui, Hydarnes: why don't you guys just come forth and admit that you are racists. It saves all of us pages of arguing to just assign you to the "bigot bin" and ignore you for now on.
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THAT IS ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS. I am of Chinese descent on my mother's side. More than 2/3s of my friends are either African American or Asian. I spin at dances where the majority of the attendees are African American. To call me a bigot or a racist is like calling a Jewish person a Nazi.
Ishkur. You are jumping to false and rash conclusions that have NO basis whatsoever. I can only view you as naive and immature. You have lost your basis of credibility. If you cannot debate without labelling the other side with such remarks, you only make a fool out of yourself doing so. |
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| LeiWM06 |
Every been to Asia buddy? Asian people are actually very racist... so don't play the Asian Card. :D
Well I wouldn't say people are racist, why argue wheather hip-hop is EDM when it clearly is? Why diss America for its contributions to EDM? Just say you don't like hip-hop and no one can argue with you there. |
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| fuct4less |
| quote: | Originally posted by emperorhui
America has had an enormous impact 'EDM'. However, this excitement [if there was any at all], only existed here for a very short time. The lack of support the music has in America these days shows that it has since moved on to be a largely European genre [ok and a bit Asian as I've noticed]. Also, don't forget what is still in question: Is hip-hop EDM? If so, should there be a separate classification for the more Eurocentric genres since they are so dissimilar?
I have here a piece of evidence to support a previous claim.
"There are many ways to make techno, but a typical techno production is created using a compositional technique that developed to suit the genre's sequencer-driven, electronic instrumentation. While this technique is rooted in a Western music framework (as far as scales, rhythm and meter, and the general role played by each type of instrument), it does not typically employ traditional approaches to composition such as reliance on the playing of notes, the use of overt tonality and melody, or the generation of accompaniment for vocals. Some of the most effective techno music consists of little more than cleverly programmed drum patterns that interplay with different types of reverb and frequency filtering, mixed in such a way that it's not clear where the instrument's timbres end and the effects begin." -http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Techno+music&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1
I'd like to point your attention to that line, "rooted in Western music framework." This implies that although the music was created by African Americans, they were undoubtedly influenced by Western culture rather than the traditional African found in hip-hop.
Note that the site also states that although the music originated in the US, its mainstream popularity has always been in Europe. Of course, one can't really trust this kind of site since it does not cite its own resources so much of this may be flawed. |
I think it's significant to point out that techno, in its original form, had very few characteristics commonly found in modern techno. I admittedly haven't heard much, but from what I have heard, it was very much akin to electro and, to a lesser extent, hip-hop. I also think it significant to note that the phrase you quoted is making reference to American culture (as it seems some of you have forgotten that America is a Western nation, and African-American culture is thusly Western), I.E., techno being rooted in electro and modern American dance. That said, it took what it had and delved deeper into non-traditional Western musical forms. Personally, I think there are more African influences to be found in techno than hip-hop, as hip-hop is the more melodic of the two (and melody was a musical innovation of the early European culture) and techno, being amelodic and primarily rhythmic (and therefore is more Africanised due to the tribal percussive innovation that stemmed from that culture, I believe).
And if we are to segregate based on musical dissimilarities, then why don't we toss out some of the other genres as well? Clearly, house and industrial are entirely different. I mean, there's no way Deep Dish and Coil can be tossed together. But who, I wonder, are we to rid? Well, as industrial isn't as danceable as the others, let it be the one to go. It can stand on its own. What, then, about downtempo? Jungle? And what about the differences between techno and modern "trance"? Even house is far too dissimilar to that cold, mechanical techno music. Y'know what? it. There is no such thing as EDM. |
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