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Edm Genres? (pg. 35)
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| auranaut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Hydarnes
I'm not sure. But we do know that rap with traditional instruments (and without electronic sounds or synthesizers) does exist. |
And are you sure that unsequenced trance without synthesizers doesn't exist? |
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| Hydarnes |
| quote: | Originally posted by starglider
They may use live instrumentation, but they are still electronically sequenced, and they DO use electronically produced instrumentation to a certain extent. Give me an example of an album produced entirely without electronic production and/or sequencing. Or, failing that, address my points above. |
I just told you that ALL THE LISTED GROUPS PRODUCE RAP WITH TRADITIONAL INSTRUMENTS AND NOT ELECTRONICALLY PRODUCED SOUNDS. Did I say "LIVE"? NOOOOO... How much more explicit does it have to be for you to realize that black isn't white? When will you give up your lost crusade already? |
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| Hydarnes |
| quote: | Originally posted by auranaut
And are you sure that unsequenced trance without synthesizers doesn't exist? |
I'd have to see some evidence vindicating its existence, wouldn't I? In the meantime I'm not going to speculate. Didn't everyone just get done stressing that EDM is anything that relies on electronically produced sounds? |
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| Earthsnail |
| quote: | Originally posted by Hydarnes
ROFL! I just gave you all a list of rap artists that perform WITHOUT electronic sounds or synths. What more is it going to take?
You guys are hilarious!
Starglider, just give it up already...:haha: |
So how does a list of rap artists that don't use electronics define a whole genre?
| quote: | Originally posted by Hydarnes
I'd have to see some evidence vindicating its existence, wouldn't I? In the meantime I'm not going to speculate. Didn't everyone just get done stressing that EDM is anything that relies on electronically produced sounds? |
It kinda depends on what you feel that "relying on something" is. |
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| emperorhui |
| quote: | Originally posted by auranaut
Exactly. Rapping without instrumental accompaniment... I mean, does that even exist? Rapping slash MCing was just an idea to get the crowd going to the *BEATS* of the *DJ*, which is *ELECTRO* or *BREAKS*. |
It does. Although not necessarily recorded, freestyling without background music is a common 'music'. Unless, of course, you want to consider freestyling an entirely different thing. |
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| Hydarnes |
| quote: | Originally posted by Earthsnail
So how does a list of rap artists that don't use electronics define a whole genre?
It kinda depends on what you feel that "relying on something" is. |
Oh boy. Kinda late with these questions. You might want to go back a few pages to understand the issues of this debate more fully. I'm really not up to repeating it all over again. |
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| auranaut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Hydarnes
I'd have to see some evidence vindicating its existence, wouldn't I? |
There's always something. See, just because very few "rap" artists don't use ANY electronic production at all, doesn't mean it isn't EDM. That would be kind of, eh, disrespectful to the history and culture of hip-hop, no? |
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| emperorhui |
| quote: | Originally posted by Earthsnail
So how does a list of rap artists that don't use electronics define a whole genre?
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Interesting point. Think of it as a law of... let's say in calculus. If there is an exception, things start to fall apart. According to the implications of your question, these rap artists do not fit into the definition that you give to 'rap'. Perhaps you'd like to propose a new genre? Again, we are not a bunch of qualified taxonomists, but we should make an effort to communicate as well as possible. That communication requires us to classify things and group them in agreeable genres and subgenres that do not confuse someone who is unfamiliar with the music. |
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| Hydarnes |
| quote: | Originally posted by emperorhui
Interesting point. Think of it as a law of... let's say in calculus. If there is an exception, things start to fall apart. According to the implications of your question, these rap artists do not fit into the definition that you give to 'rap'. Perhaps you'd like to propose a new genre? Again, we are not a bunch of qualified taxonomists, but we should make an effort to communicate as well as possible. That communication requires us to classify things and group them in agreeable genres and subgenres that do not confuse someone who is unfamiliar with the music. |
Nicely stated. |
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| emperorhui |
| quote: | Originally posted by auranaut
There's always something. See, just because very few "rap" artists don't use ANY electronic production at all, doesn't mean it isn't EDM. That would be kind of, eh, disrespectful to the history and culture of hip-hop, no? |
As I read this, I don't understand exactly for what you are arguing. Rap, when it was first started [in Jamaica I believe?] had no electronic instruments. Would it not be disrespectful to say that these traditional rap artists are not part of the definition of the genre simply because they are somewhat lost in history? Clarify your point. |
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| Earthsnail |
| quote: | Originally posted by Hydarnes
Oh boy. Kinda late with these questions. You might want to go back a few pages to understand the issues of this debate more fully. I'm really not up to repeating it all over again. |
i understand the issues of the debate perfectly. How about you just answer my question and reply to my statement?
| quote: | Originally posted by auranaut
There's always something. See, just because very few "rap" artists don't use ANY electronic production at all, doesn't mean it isn't EDM. That would be kind of, eh, disrespectful to the history and culture of hip-hop, no? |
Thank you. Well put sir, well put. |
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| Hydarnes |
| quote: | Originally posted by Earthsnail
i understand the issues of the debate perfectly. How about you just answer my question and reply to my statement?
or stop talking |
It's quite simple actually. In order for us to properly allocate different styles of music to their appropriate genres they must first meet generally accepted criterions for their placement. In the case of "EDM" it can more or less be summed up as music that relies, or is definingly characterized by electronically produced sounds. All of the other forms of EDM seem to more or less fit under this umbrella.
Since rap can subsist without anything in the ways of electronic devising, then I'm afraid it can't be regarded as a real form of EDM, although it may employ many attributes of this style. |
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