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Edm Genres? (pg. 19)
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| manfred |
| quote: | Originally posted by twisted
i thought i liked how some of my favorite genres of edm were a bit more underground, but the ignorance around it all is just ridiculous! i mean there isnt even basic knowledge what varieties of edm there are! the easiest thing to figure out, is that its ELECTRONIC! say it with me! electronic!
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I'm sorry to burst your bubble toots but not everything electronically produced is EDM.
Industrial, Darkwave, Coldwave, Noise, Power Electronics, Rhythmic Noise, Drill'N Noise.
Listen to some Winterkalte, Throbbing Gristle, Xotox, Nimheil, Pow(d)er and Terrorfakt then tell me that they are EDM. |
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| manfred |
| quote: | Originally posted by Hydarnes
Amen. And notice that when they're cornered they generalize it to "EM". lol
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Hip hop arose in New York City when DJs began isolating the percussion break from funk or disco songs. The role of the emcee (MC) arose to introduce the DJ and the music, and to keep the audience excited. The MCs began by speaking between songs, giving exhortations to dance, greetings to audience members, jokes and anecdotes. Eventually, this practice came to be more stylized, and was known as rapping. By 1979, hip hop had become a commercially recorded music genre, and began to enter the American mainstream.....
While Run DMC laid the groundwork for East Coast rap, "Planet Rock" (Afrika Bambaataa) was the one of the first electro tracks. Based on a sample from German rock group Kraftwerk (Trans-Europe Express), "Planet Rock" inspired countless groups, based in New Jersey, New York City and Detroit, among other places, to make electronic dance music (called electro) that strongly influenced techno and house music, and especially the burgeoning electro music scene in northern England, the Midlands and London.
"Planet Rock" influenced hip hop outside of New York as well, such as Latin hip hop (also Latin freestyle or freestyle) such as Expose and The Cover Girls, as well as Los Angeles-based electro hop performers like the World Class Wreckin' Cru and Egyptian Lover.
taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hip_hop_music |
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| emperorhui |
| quote: | Originally posted by fuct4less
Y'know what? it. There is no such thing as EDM. |
I could almost agree with you. The term is so convoluted you could apply it to so many genres. From the arguments I see here, perhaps it's not a good term to use in general since different people have their own interpretations of what it is. |
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| auranaut |
| quote: | Originally posted by manfred
German rock group Kraftwerk |
:wtf: |
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| emperorhui |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
You've just lost any shred of credibility you ever had.
To everyone else, trance and eurodance are only a small section of EDM, and you need to wake up, get out of your tunnel and look at the EDM scene as a whole. Trance and eurodance would not exist were it not for techno and house, both of which are American.
To root this argument, it's wrong to say hip-hop isn't EDM because it is black in origin, it's wrong to say hip-hop isn't EDM because it doesn't sound like European dance music and it's wrong to say hip-hop is not EDM because it has a different "vibe" to trance. Hip-hop is EDM. End of. |
You state here that "it's wrong to say hip-hop isn't EDM because it doesn't sound like European dance music..." What I'm interested in is if there are actually similarities in the music theory of both rather than how they sound or from where they originated. Let's hear some arguments about the technical similarities between hip-hop and European Dance Music.
I think the way you use the word 'black' is a bit flawed. Just because someone is 'black' does not mean they have retained their African roots. This country is a 'melting pot'. 'Black in origin' does not justify 'African' in origin.
As much as we need to recognize the past, we also must recognize the present. I've noticed how people around me no longer use the word 'rock' to describe the music they listen to. Instead, I'm hearing 'hard rock', 'metal', or 'alternative rock'. If you went into a club to spin, would you go in there and tell everyone that you are going to be spinning EDM? Isn't the term strikingly vague? It sounds to me that the acronym EDM is much like the term 'rock'. If you stretch it a bit, you could even argue that EDM is a rock genre. Since pretty much all of you seem to agree that rap is EDM, how about partitioning the genre into several different genres which are less vague in their definition? |
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| manfred |
| quote: | Originally posted by emperorhui
You state here that "it's wrong to say hip-hop isn't EDM because it doesn't sound like European dance music..." What I'm interested in is if there are actually similarities in the music theory of both rather than how they sound or from where they originated. Let's hear some arguments about the technical similarities between hip-hop and European Dance Music.
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http://www.discjockey101.com/jun2004.html
This is an interesting article, Talks about electronic art music mostly and it's history with Dada and Musique Concrete. Think of the sampling that is present in Hip Hop, that's also present in Industrial, EDM, and other forms of electronically produced music(ie pop). They trance their lineage back to avant garde composers like Edgar Varese who first experiemented with ideas like Atonality, electronically produced music(he worked extenisively with the theremin), and beats( he composed the first piece dedicated solely to percussion).
Quite simaliarily how could one consider Trip Hop to be EDM and not Hip Hop? While the genre's aren't ideologically related, structurally they are very simaler and I never hear Trip Hop contested.
I think that there are Hip Hop clubs in which people dance to music the is electronically produced is more than enough evidence to support Hip Hop as EDM.
Afrika Bambataa did with Kraftwerk. Ill Bill did with Venetian Snares. Have you people never heard Hip Hop before? Before seeing this thread I never even knew there were people who didn't consider Hip Hop EDM.
http://www.discjockey101.com/jun2004.html |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Aramis
Selective requoting? How unbecoming! I guess that makes you a dipstick :) Thanks for the list of godawful crap though.
Try using the acual quote - ie "the US is of minimal significance in the evolution of trance and Eurodance". I hope that you at least have the grace to feel embarrassed now.
House and techno are not mentioned in my post, and clearly US artists were genre leaders there. I was talking about the origins of Euro club music, which is almost non existent in the US, and incidentally includes trance, which this site is dedicated to. |
Without HOUSE and TECHNO you would have NO TRANCE...get it tough guy?
And without DISCO you would have NO HOUSE and TECHNO...get that rubber neck?
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooo in conclusion::
Disco -> House -> Techno -> Trance
see the timeline fool?
And where did Disco come from? hhhmmm the U.S.
And where did House come from? hhhmmm the U.S.
And where did Techno get revolutionalized? hhhmmm the U.S.
YOu can not talk about Trance without mentioning it's roots!
You little kids have zero knowledge of EDM....Ishkur knows more then you man...matter fact...as much as a i disagree with Ishkur...he does have knowledge on EDM....sometimes distorted...but smart none the less.:D |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by emperorhui
You state here that "it's wrong to say hip-hop isn't EDM because it doesn't sound like European dance music..." What I'm interested in is if there are actually similarities in the music theory of both rather than how they sound or from where they originated. Let's hear some arguments about the technical similarities between hip-hop and European Dance Music.
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As I'm English I tend not to include the beautiful collection of scenic islands I call home "Europe". Hip-hop influenced acid-house (American), which was spread to England and evolved into "rave". England is also the nerve centre for drum 'n bass and jungle, as well as trip-hop. England has a strong collection of ethnic minorities from all over the world. Even "eurodance" can be traced back to The KLF and their "stadium house" which is English, and happened to feature lots of rapping and breakbeat.
Britain can essentially be called the gateway between Europe and the US. British music has a lot of American sound to it. European music has a lot of British sound to it. However, if you remove this country from the equation, it's hard to see the connection.
If this sounds like patriotic bollocks: check your history. Every genre of EDM created in America remained underground there, but when exported to England became massively popular. Acid house didn't go to Germany, or Holland, or any other farmer nation that today manufactures epic trance. It came here, and kick-started the entire early 90s revolution in dance music. |
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| sandstorm03 |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
Without HOUSE and TECHNO you would have NO TRANCE...get it tough guy?
And without DISCO you would have NO HOUSE and TECHNO...get that rubber neck?
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooo in conclusion::
Disco -> House -> Techno -> Trance
see the timeline fool?
And where did Disco come from? hhhmmm the U.S.
And where did House come from? hhhmmm the U.S.
And where did Techno get revolutionalized? hhhmmm the U.S.
YOu can not talk about Trance without mentioning it's roots!
You little kids have zero knowledge of EDM....Ishkur knows more then you man...matter fact...as much as a i disagree with Ishkur...he does have knowledge on EDM....sometimes distorted...but smart none the less.:D |
the good drugs were invented in the us as well, then Europe picked up on it...:eek:
like it or not drugs are a big part of the scene |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Aramis
ie "the US is of minimal significance in the evolution of trance and Eurodance". |
Another note.
To talk about the evolution of TRANCE without talking about HOUSE, DISCO and TECHNO is equivalant to talking about the evolution of man without talking about single cell organisms.
Hope that makes it more clear for you! |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
If this sounds like patriotic bollocks: check your history. Every genre of EDM created in America remained underground there, but when exported to England became massively popular. Acid house didn't go to Germany, or Holland, or any other farmer nation that today manufactures epic trance. It came here, and kick-started the entire early 90s revolution in dance music. |
One thing that ALWAYS cracks me up is how Europeans bash America for making things go mainstream and for music becoming overplayed pop....
YET is Holland, Germany, England, Belgium, Norway etc etc...they have huge festivals of EDM and more of it played on the radio and a bigger scene then America....if anyone makes EDM mainstream i would say it's Europe and not never will be America....
If parties like Sensation, Trance Energy, Innercity etc etc arent taking things to the extreme and mainstream then i dont know what is...is those same parties where in NYC or Miami all the Europeans kids would tlak tons of smack on how America throws huge festivals and makes the music too popular....
EDM in America has remained underground for the most part in the U.S....apart from clubs...and the occasional radio show..and what do we have? one real party a year..which is WMC.
double talking? |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
One thing that ALWAYS cracks me up is how Europeans bash America for making things go mainstream and for music becoming overplayed pop....
YET is Holland, Germany, England, Belgium, Norway etc etc...they have huge festivals of EDM and more of it played on the radio and a bigger scene then America....if anyone makes EDM mainstream i would say it's Europe and not never will be America....
If parties like Sensation, Trance Energy, Innercity etc etc arent taking things to the extreme and mainstream then i dont know what is...is those same parties where in NYC or Miami all the Europeans kids would tlak tons of smack on how America throws huge festivals and makes the music too popular....
EDM in America has remained underground for the most part in the U.S....apart from clubs...and the occasional radio show..and what do we have? one real party a year..which is WMC.
double talking? |
Oh shut up. You're reading what isn't actually there. Where did I say was the US's fault for EDM becoming popular in the UK? Where did I say it was a bad thing? Anywhere? I'm no ing elitist, although it sounds like you are. EDM in the mainstream is a very good thing to me. It means I get hold of it more easily. |
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