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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Hydarnes
Very interesting facts and read! You sure know a lot more about the history of rap than I do. |
I grew up with the evolution of rap from rap to hip hop. It was after it had changed from Rap to hip-hop that it lost all it's soul. Public Enemy, Ice-T, NWA, those people actually had something to say... today's hip-hop artists are pretty vapid and the music is just as vapid because of it. The last real rap album was NWA's Niggaz For Life. Everything after that is hip-hop, an hip-hop is crap. |
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| Hydarnes |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sykonee
Hydarnes: You still haven't answered my question.
If the electronic dance music used in the backing of almost all forms of modern hip-hop and rap isn't called one of those two things, then what is it called? |
Oh sorry, I must have missed it.
Any music that is electronically based is either EM or EDM, in this case your example would fall within one of the two categories. We're discussing rap as a genre though. If you take out the rap in certain electronically-based rap songs then it isn't rap anymore, it's some sort of EM or EDM music. The rapping is what defines the "Rap".
This happens in the same way that Eurodance can use Rap, but that doesn't make it rap. Rap can use electronic music but that doesn't necessarily make it EDM as a whole, because it easily subsists without anything electronically based. |
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| Ishkur |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Hip-hop, or more acurately for the time... rap, started in the mid to late seventies (same time as EDM) as a off-shoot of funk/soul. |
Actually, rapping was imported to America from Jamaica in the late 60s, where it was featured alongside reggae and dub music (dub, by the way, is EDM). The MC, or toastmaster, would simply liven the atmosphere by working the crowd into a frenzy. |
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| Ishkur |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
punk is an evolution of regge whereas rock is an evolution of blues. |
Actually, punk was a reactionary movement driven by aggression and repulsion of the heavy-handed progressive rock that infected the 70s on one side, and the gay, feather-lite pap of disco music on the other.
But it's still rock. |
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| Krysta_101 |
| "I'll take ya to tha candy shop..." :toothless |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sykonee
Hydarnes: You still haven't answered my question.
If the electronic dance music used in the backing of almost all forms of modern hip-hop and rap isn't called one of those two things, then what is it called? |
Although the question is directed at Hydarnes I must chip in my two cents as well.
Most of the music used in the backing of hip-hop and rap songs are sampled from earlier songs. Those songs were first composed and recorded using organic instruments. What this creates is a situation were organically made music electronically reproduced and mixed into one song (usually with some synthetic base line). This is not the same as EDM or EM which is nearly exclusively composed with and made by electronic devices. |
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| Hydarnes |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Although the question is directed at Hydarnes I must chip in my two cents as well.
Most of the music used in the backing of hip-hop and rap songs are sampled from earlier songs. Those songs were first composed and recorded using organic instruments. What this creates is a situation were organically made music electronically reproduced and mixed into one song (usually with some synthetic base line). This is not the same as EDM or EM which is nearly exclusively composed with and made by electronic devices. |
But doesn't some hip-hop solely employ electronically-based music behind their rap? |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
Actually, punk was a reactionary movement driven by aggression and repulsion of the heavy-handed progressive rock that infected the 70s on one side, and the gay, feather-lite pap of disco music on the other.
But it's still rock. |
Incorrect, the musical root of punk is regge. You should listen to the early UK punk, the influance is unmistakable. Besides, the early punk artists all cite regge as their influance.
This theory of punk being a reaction to the early 70s progressive rock (specifically the Who) is a revisionist theory not history. |
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| Ishkur |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
In case you are wondering the term hip-hop is derived from the Naughty By Nature song Hip-hop Horray. |
Actually hip hop very likely owes its origin to the technics SL-1200 turntable. Invented in 1972, it was the first commercially made direct-drive turntable that could be physically manipulated without breaking the motor. This allowed you to "mix" the sound in any way you liked. The first ever DJ technique was to prolong the music by buying two copies of the same record and hopping back and forth between them on two turntables seamlessly, creating extended mixes of 7" radio singles on the fly. They called this "hopping back and forth on the tables".....aka hip hop. Bambataa and Kool Herc were using this term 20 years before Naughty by Nature even existed.
Nothing against you, Moral Hazard, but your posts are full of an awful lot of wrong. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Hydarnes
But doesn't some hip-hop solely employ electronically-based music behind their rap? |
possibly, just as some EDM uses organic instruments but they are the exceptions or more accurately the evolutions. the root and the majority are what you must look to when clasifying something as broad as a genre |
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| Hydarnes |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
possibly, just as some EDM uses organic instruments but they are the exceptions or more accurately the evolutions. the root and the majority are what you must look to when clasifying something as broad as a genre |
Agreed. |
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| Ishkur |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
This is not the same as EDM or EM which is nearly exclusively composed with and made by electronic devices. |
no it's not. |
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