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Edm Genres? (pg. 27)
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| JakeC |
| quote: | Originally posted by sandstorm03
his mixing skill was fine yesterday on radio 1.:conf: I don't think beatmatching was not the problem or the mixing between tracks. |
evey mix from his show was slightly off. he then played DJ Hose into cosmic freefall.
he HAS gone downhill. |
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| sandstorm03 |
| quote: | Originally posted by JakeC
evey mix from his show was slightly off. he then played DJ Hose into cosmic freefall.
he HAS gone downhill. |
choosing tracks & playing them has nothing to do with skill... |
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| JakeC |
| quote: | Originally posted by sandstorm03
choosing tracks & playing them has nothing to do with skill... |
of course it does....its the skill of reading the crowd.
if you were to play 140bpm epic trance and then swap to 90bpm 50 cent rap, you would loose the crowd and therefore poor trackselection. |
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| sandstorm03 |
| quote: | Originally posted by JakeC
of course it does....its the skill of reading the crowd.
if you were to play 140bpm epic trance and then swap to 90bpm 50 cent rap, you would loose the crowd and therefore poor trackselection. |
skill
1. Proficiency, facility, or dexterity that is acquired or developed through training or experience. See Synonyms at ability.
2.
1. An art, trade, or technique, particularly one requiring use of the hands or body.
2. A developed talent or ability: writing skills.
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in·tel·li·gence (n-tl-jns)
n.
1. The capacity to acquire and apply knowledge, especially toward a purposeful goal.
2. An individual's relative standing on two quantitative indices, namely measured intelligence, as expressed by an intelligence quotient, and effectiveness of adaptive behavior. |
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| emperorhui |
| I think some of you are defining a DJ's intelligence by their listeners' so-called 'intelligence'. Perhaps you might know some really nerdy kids who listen to a certain DJ and therefore conclude that the DJ is 'intelligent.' [That's just speculation of course]It's not a good way to compare DJs. Try statistics or simply the overall fun in hearing the DJ spin. :D |
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| sandstorm03 |
| quote: | Originally posted by emperorhui
I think some of you are defining a DJ's intelligence by their listeners' so-called 'intelligence'. Perhaps you might know some really nerdy kids who listen to a certain DJ and therefore conclude that the DJ is 'intelligent.' [That's just speculation of course]It's not a good way to compare DJs. Try statistics or simply the overall fun in hearing the DJ spin. :D |
:conf: I don't think anyone could judge that :conf: |
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| Hydarnes |
(Oh joy, I typed a whole response only to lose it by accidentally hitting something on my keyboard. It should really be fixed. And it's happened to me several times already.)
After a substantial absentia from this debate, I think it's about time I enumerate my position again but in a clear and concise manner for the benefit of those who would rather analyze this issue on a more rational level than the often pursued "sophomoric derision" that does little to actually solidify an opinion. In fact, it insinuates desperation, especially when no strong stance has been proffered for one's position.
Some of you have stated your positions in a kind, courteous and convincing manner (i.e f4life and a couple others), and I respect your input on the matter. However, I strongly feel that crucial blunders are being made in the process. Permit me to enumerate:
1. By persistently arguing that rap and hip-hop should be included along with an orthodox number of styles as equally bonafide forms of "EDM" you are egregiously ignoring the invariable tide of association that will ultimately encompass almost every variety of music imaginable as arguably "EDM". By proposing that rap and hip-hop should be regarded efficacious forms of "EDM" you are also making a wide scope of New Age, Pop and Rock fit under the "EDM" umbrella as well.
2. I find it amusing how those arguing that Rap and Hip-Hop QUALIFY as EDM because they have electronic sounds, but that rock and pop would not fit in the same category because they DO NOT require electronic music to keep them alive, although they may occasionally employ them. Others also refer us to the criteria of determination which more or less asserts that: "EDM is any music that largely employs electronic sounds and synthesizers". It gets even more ludicrous when we realize that Rap and Hip-Hop fail BOTH OF THESE ARGUMENTS (that are being used in support of their inclusion into the "EDM" umbrella).
How so? Well first of all, what is the defining characteristic of Rap and Hip-Hop? Well duh, it's the rapping and the psuedo-rap-singing! If electronic music that is sometimes used behind rapping and hip-hop is removed and replaced with non-electronic instruments, GUESS WHAT? YOU'LL STILL HAVE RAP AND HIP-HOP, it hasn't died!
On the other hand, Eurodance, Trance, House, etc. ALL ENTIRELY RELY ON ELECTRONIC SOUNDS in order to qualify for the definition. This is beyond dispute. It's obvious then that Rap and Hip-Hop DO NOT qualify in the same respect as the aforementioned styles. Now just because Rap and Hip-Hop can be argued as loose forms of "EM" (which I have never disputed), I resent having them put in a category that is absolutely at odds with them.
Furthermore, this obscures a general understanding of "EDM" and opens the doors for untold confusion. By putting rap and hip-hop in these categories I would be mortified and ashamed to tell someone that I like "EDM" if they are going to associate european dance music with those styles. Rap and Hip-Hop also have a considerable following that doesn't even associate those styles with european dance music.
Last, but not least, how do I generalize my musical affinity if I am unable to use "EDM"? I feel there should be a simple term to sum it all up rather than having to add a huge explanation to everything.
Thank you for your time and g'day!
EmperorHui,
Good arguments you raised! I'm still astonished at how muddled and inconclusive this whole debate has become since I contributed as a culprit. :p |
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| trewqy |
Look..^ u fail to realise that most hip hop songs actually use computer programs to make them(loops, synths etc).I guess thats what qualifies them as EDM. Do u honestly think that Usher- Yeah yeah was made by a 5 piece band??
Of course u could make house songs totally "live" like bands like Leftfield..but thats a totally different matter |
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| trewqy |
And whether u can dance to hip hop or not..
YES, HIP HOP genres like RnB and Crunk IS DANCE MUSIC. |
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| Zenchowdah |
| quote: | Originally posted by trewqy
And whether u can dance to hip hop or not..
YES, HIP HOP genres like RnB and Crunk IS DANCE MUSIC. |
wtf crunk is a genre now? |
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| auranaut |
| Hydarnes, do you even know where the term 'hip-hop' sprung from? You focus so much on the vocal bit... it's just... stupid. |
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| Hydarnes |
| quote: | Originally posted by auranaut
Hydarnes, do you even know where the term 'hip-hop' sprung from? You focus so much on the vocal bit... it's just... stupid. |
Stupid nothing. I'm getting tired of you guys contradicting yourselves in the foreign hope that you can make rap and hip-hop stand out as EDM. Where are your convincing arguments? |
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