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| Moral Hazard |
Saying that Hip-hop is EDM because it sounds like EDM exhibits a very poor understanding of the music. Origins are the important thing in determining if two genres are related.
Hell, saying Hip-hop is EDM because both use electronic music is like saying Punk is a type of Rock because they both use guitars and drums, completely ignoring that punk is an evolution of regge whereas rock is an evolution of blues. |
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| Hydarnes |
| quote: | Saying that Hip-hop is EDM because it sounds like EDM exhibits a very poor understanding of the music. Origins are the important thing in determining if two genres are related.
Hell, saying Hip-hop is EDM because both use electronic music is like saying Punk is a type of Rock because they both use guitars and drums, completely ignoring that punk is an evolution of regge whereas rock is an evolution of blues. |
Good point! Why weren't you here earlier? ;) |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Hydarnes
Good point! Why weren't you here earlier? ;) |
Sorry, I'm busy working this morning. |
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| Hydarnes |
Only one problem...
Your sig pic is getting a bit annoying. ;) |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Hydarnes
Only one problem...
Your sig pic is getting a bit annoying. ;) |
you have to take the good with the bad.... I'm a whole not an association of parts. |
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| Liquid Fusion |
| I Havent Read Since Page 21.....ive just seen 100 posts added everyday...anyways have you guys just been talking about if hiphop isnt EDM anymore? |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Hydarnes
System-J,
Rap can be instrumental, precisely. This is what I have been trying to tell you all along.
BTW, please refrain from your unnecessarily humungous font sizing experiments. They are not only getting annoying, but they ultimately serve to make the demise of your arguments all the more blatant
We don’t need you to tell us that occasional rapping (vocally by itself) has found its way into some Eurodance songs. This has been stated and understood numerous times. However, I just got done explaining to our good friend Ishkur here (or one of the guys), that we’re not discussing “rapping” as a vocal entity here, we’re talking about the music called “RAP” with the background accompaniment and all. Hip-Hop doesn’t exist apart from rap, IT ONLY INCLUDES RAP IN ITS CULTURE. Your post seriously lacks a contemporary attitude toward this debate.
The one described in the dictionary:
“RAP: n : genre of African-American music of the 1980s and 1990s in which rhyming lyrics are chanted to a musical accompaniment; several forms of rap have emerged [syn: rap, hip-hop]”
….That a bunch of other musical authorities confirm.
My dictionaries do. I’ve looked at it several times.
I'm really Sorry, but None of us have an appetite for hearing any more of your imaginary definitions for Hip-Hop.
For the record:
Hip-Hop – “A popular urban youth culture, closely associated with rap music and with the style and fashions of African-American inner-city residents.”
Rap music.”—Dictionary
But we don’t even need the dictionary to confirm what we know about “rap” and “hip-hop”. I kindly provided you with MUSICAL authorities earlier in this debate that CLEARLY define both as affirmed by the dictionary.
…And all the kings horses and all the kings men couldn’t put humpty dumpty back together again. |
You aren't even reading what is being put. You're a ing idiot, you really are. No music magazines call the genre rap, no music shops call it rap, no record labels call it rap and no artists call it rap. The only people who think rap is the genre are you and a bunch of 60+ Oxford professors, who write dictionaries. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
You aren't even reading what is being put. You're a ing idiot, you really are. No music magazines call the genre rap, no music shops call it rap, no record labels call it rap and no artists call it rap. The only people who think rap is the genre are you and a bunch of 60+ Oxford professors, who write dictionaries. |
Clearly you are far too young to know what rap is... based on the birthday listed in your profile you were born in 1988... just about the same time rap was being converted into hip-hop. Well, son, let me teach you a thing or two.
Rap is a genre of music that existed from the mid seventies to the early/mid nineties. For all intents and purposes the rap of the seventies, eighties, and nineties was the begining of the genre of music you call Hip-Hop. Rap was the music of Run DMC, Public Enemy, NWA, The DOC, Kool Moe Dee (am I the only one who remembers Kool?), ICE-T etc. Unfortunately for rap, the bursting onto the scene of NWA, Compton's Most Wanted, the DOC, and other so called "Gangsta Rappers" in 1986 scared the hell outta white suburban parents (my parents included). Well, outcry filled the land... congressmen drafted legislation in the US to ban rap, parents groups presured stores not to sell rap, people protested radio stations that played rap, etc. Sales declined. Because sales declined the record companies decided that they had to find a way to distinguish rap from "gangsta rap". The first attempt was to add the "gangsta" as I have done, however, this failed. The second attempt was to change move away from the word rap and the connotations that had been brought with NWA and their cohoarts (along with movies such as Boyz N tha Hood and Colors). The term Hip-Hop began to take hold and was applied to parent friendly artists such as MC Hammer, Vanilla Ice, LL Cool J, etc. Eventually, because Hip-Hop was more marketable then Rap the term Hip-Hop replaced Rap.
So, as you can see from the above rap and hip-hop are one in the same save for the term rap is generic to those who started the genre and the "culture" whereas the term hip-hop is a product of those who were intent on marketing the "rap culture" to suburban America. The scary part is that the term hip-hop has become so accepted that some of the youngsters such as yourself don't even know the truth. I feel bad for you.
BTW, if you don't belive me, listen to any Rap/hip-hop music from prior to 1990... the term rap is everywhere but the word hip-hop does not exist.
In case you are wondering the term hip-hop is derived from the Naughty By Nature song Hip-hop Horray. |
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| Hydarnes |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
You aren't even reading what is being put. You're a ing idiot, you really are. No music magazines call the genre rap, no music shops call it rap, no record labels call it rap and no artists call it rap. The only people who think rap is the genre are you and a bunch of 60+ Oxford professors, who write dictionaries. |
You can always tell when people are getting desperate...they have to resort to obscene personal insults. You would have us believe that "Rap" isn't even a genre at all. How many times are you going to keep changing your position? (Of course, it's all for the purpose of disregarding the implications that inevitably disqualify it from being EDM).
If you want to think of Rap as EDM, fine! Nobody is telling you that it's forbidden, we're just saying it can't be regarded as such in a serious identification of the genre. |
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| Hydarnes |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Clearly you are far too young to know what rap is... based on the birthday listed in your profile you were born in 1988... just about the same time rap was being converted into hip-hop. Well, son, let me teach you a thing or two.
Rap is a genre of music that existed from the mid seventies to the early/mid nineties. For all intents and purposes the rap of the seventies, eighties, and nineties was the begining of the genre of music you call Hip-Hop. Rap was the music of Run DMC, Public Enemy, NWA, The DOC, Kool Moe Dee (am I the only one who remembers Kool?), ICE-T etc. Unfortunately for rap, the bursting onto the scene of NWA, Compton's Most Wanted, the DOC, and other so called "Gangsta Rappers" in 1986 scared the hell outta white suburban parents (my parents included). Well, outcry filled the land... congressmen drafted legislation in the US to ban rap, parents groups presured stores not to sell rap, people protested radio stations that played rap, etc. Sales declined. Because sales declined the record companies decided that they had to find a way to distinguish rap from "gangsta rap". The first attempt was to add the "gangsta" as I have done, however, this failed. The second attempt was to change move away from the word rap and the connotations that had been brought with NWA and their cohoarts (along with movies such as Boyz N tha Hood and Colors). The term Hip-Hop began to take hold and was applied to parent friendly artists such as MC Hammer, Vanilla Ice, LL Cool J, etc. Eventually, because Hip-Hop was more marketable then Rap the term Hip-Hop replaced Rap.
So, as you can see from the above rap and hip-hop are one in the same save for the term rap is generic to those who started the genre and the "culture" whereas the term hip-hop is a product of those who were intent on marketing the "rap culture" to suburban America. The scary part is that the term hip-hop has become so accepted that some of the youngsters such as yourself don't even know the truth. I feel bad for you.
BTW, if you don't belive me, listen to any Rap/hip-hop music from prior to 1990... the term rap is everywhere but the word hip-hop does not exist.
In case you are wondering the term hip-hop is derived from the Naughty By Nature song Hip-hop Horray. |
Very interesting facts and read! You sure know a lot more about the history of rap than I do. |
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| Sykonee |
Hydarnes: You still haven't answered my question.
If the electronic dance music used in the backing of almost all forms of modern hip-hop and rap isn't called one of those two things, then what is it called? |
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