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Edm Genres? (pg. 43)
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
Actually hip hop very likely owes its origin to the technics SL-1200 turntable. Invented in 1972, it was the first commercially made direct-drive turntable that could be physically manipulated without breaking the motor. This allowed you to "mix" the sound in any way you liked. The first ever DJ technique was to prolong the music by buying two copies of the same record and hopping back and forth between them on two turntables seamlessly, creating extended mixes of 7" radio singles on the fly. They called this "hopping back and forth on the tables".....aka hip hop. Bambataa and Kool Herc were using this term 20 years before Naughty by Nature even existed.
Nothing against you, Moral Hazard, but your posts are full of an awful lot of wrong. |
I'm willing to accept that this Hip-hop explenation is plausible as I was only refering to its introduction as a marketing phrase.... I have no idea how the term got into the song to begin with. Thank you.
FYI, because you are either unaware of the truth in my posts or you do not believe my explenation does not make it incorrect. |
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| Ishkur |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
You should listen to the early UK punk, the influance is unmistakable. Besides, the early punk artists all cite regge as their influance.
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Actually, they cite Pink Floyd as their influence. |
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| Hydarnes |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
Actually hip hop very likely owes its origin to the technics SL-1200 turntable. Invented in 1972, it was the first commercially made direct-drive turntable that could be physically manipulated without breaking the motor. This allowed you to "mix" the sound in any way you liked. The first ever DJ technique was to prolong the music by buying two copies of the same record and hopping back and forth between them on two turntables seamlessly, creating extended mixes of 7" radio singles on the fly. They called this "hopping back and forth on the tables".....aka hip hop. Bambataa and Kool Herc were using this term 20 years before Naughty by Nature even existed.
Nothing against you, Moral Hazard, but your posts are full of an awful lot of wrong. |
So please, do explain the relevance this is supposed to have vis-a-vis your [erroneous] claim that Rap/Hip-Hop is somehow EDM? |
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| Moral Hazard |
see my earlier post in which I acknowledge that this is not true in all cases.... |
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| Hydarnes |
Please do elaborate. What are you saying is "not" so?
I think we're all getting weary of your "ipse dixit" approach to this issue. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
Actually, they cite Pink Floyd as their influence. |
Make up your mind.... Pink Floyd is not part of the heavy-handed seventies rock you attribute punk being a reaction to. Additionally, punk was being made at the same time as Pink Floyd was making their arrival on the scene.
There is some truth in your earlier statements as part of the whole philosophy behind punk is to make it quickly and if there are mistakes.... Who cares.... which stands in opposition to the very well produced music of the early to mid seventies. Unfortunately, the who cares attitude was born of necessity more then as a reaction to the big bad corporate machine as recording time was expensive and the punk lables and musicians of the mid seventies did not have great sums of money availible to them. |
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| Ishkur |
| quote: | Originally posted by Hydarnes
Accounting your ever-evolving definitions of terms, you might want to tell me what you mean by "electronically sequenced"
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It uses a ing SEQUENCER. Maybe even MIDI or a tracker. I said this on ing page ONE, go ahead and look it up.
Are you mentally retarded, or do you not know anything about electronic music and how it's made? |
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| Ishkur |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Make up your mind.... Pink Floyd is not part of the heavy-handed seventies rock you attribute punk being a reaction to. |
I didn't say it was a positive influence.
Punk hated Pink Floyd and the manufactured, meticulously crafted works of "rock art" and concept albums they were crafting. The rock operas of Steinman and The Who and the dreary ELP progressive rock solidified the sentiment. All this stuffy, pretentious crap had to go.
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Unfortunately, the who cares attitude was born of necessity more then as a reaction to the big bad corporate machine as recording time was expensive and the punk lables and musicians of the mid seventies did not have great sums of money availible to them.
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That's a very good point, which highlights the idea that punk could not possibly have come from reggae, because at that point in the 70s, Lee Perry and the dub scene were just as careful, meticulous and professional in their studio craftsmanship as the Alan Parsons-fed brit space rock scene, both of which were the antithesis of punk's message. |
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| Hydarnes |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
It uses a ing SEQUENCER. Maybe even MIDI or a tracker. I said this on ing page ONE, go ahead and look it up.
Are you mentally retarded, or do you not know anything about electronic music and how it's made? |
I was asking for your definition, considering that you seem incapable of making up your mind one way or the other about how you categorize music.
So what makes you think that rap using a sequencer = EDM? |
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| Ishkur |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
see my earlier post in which I acknowledge that this is not true in all cases.... |
You argue that sampling doesn't count. I would like to point out that the balance of all the house/trance/techno you so love is actually based on a sample of some sort. |
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| Hydarnes |
| quote: | | Make up your mind.... |
I'll really try to believe that a miracle can happen, but I'm telling you right now that from the pages worth of debating in this thread that I've had with him, it's nearly impossible for him to make up his mind. He's been constantly altering and adapting his position ever since our dialogue (if I can even call it that) began. |
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| Ishkur |
| quote: | Originally posted by Hydarnes
I was asking for your definition, considering that you seem incapable of making up your mind
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I haven't changed my mind at all. I said this on page one. I'm saying this now.
| quote: | Originally posted by Hydarnes
So what makes you think that rap using a sequencer = EDM? |
Sequenced music is sent through a digital mixing board and quantized to a preset time signature. All electronic music does that.
Live music doesn't do that.
End of argument. |
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