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Edm Genres? (pg. 32)
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| JakeC |
| quote: | Originally posted by Hydarnes
You sound like you have some compelling evidence to the contrary from what I have stated. I'm most curious. I'm sure you can offer me more than a "you're wrong" without any reason at all, right?
BTW, I do apologize if my vocabulary conflicts with your comfort a bit, but please don't deny me some good reasons for your position. |
well all i can offer is a 'You're Wrong' because beleive it or not my young padwan you are actaully wrong. |
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| Hydarnes |
| quote: | Originally posted by JakeC
well all i can offer is a 'You're Wrong' because beleive it or not my young padwan you are actaully wrong. |
Thank you for making it painfully obvious to everyone here that your assertion is in lieu of an argument. However, you can be sure that as soon as you can offer me some convincing evidence to the contrary (and this shouldn't be very difficult seeing that I'm obviously "wrong), I will begin to take you seriously--but not until then. |
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| auranaut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Hydarnes
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I've told you SO MANY TIMES before; hip hop is breaks slash electro with vocals (rapping). It is a SUB-GENRE of breaks, which in turn is a SUB-GENRE of EDM. It is NOT DONE with non-electronic instruments. It has a HISTORY of being produced with electronic instruments. Using that same argument, you could say that trance could use bongo drums instead, and it wouldn't be EDM anymore. But hey, guess what, BONGOS AREN'T USED IN TRANCE. It has, just like hip-hop, always been produced with synthesizers and drum machines.
Oh, and don't even THINK about hypothetically removing the beat from hip hop, thus removing a very large part of it; the DJ. Turntablism, hellooo? Where the term "hip-hop" came from, hellooo?
And wtf is this about the MC not being important in jungle? You really don't know your history. |
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| JakeC |
| quote: | Originally posted by Hydarnes
Thank you for making it painfully obvious to everyone here that your assertion is in lieu of an argument. As soon as you can offer me some convincing evidence to the contrary, however, you can be sure I will take you seriously--but not until then. |
Sometimes in your life you will have to take it on the chin and put your hands up and say 'I'm Wrong'.
You are wrong because:
EDM is based around electrics, take away the pc or hardware and you would not have anything. Yes pop can be and alot of it is made using electronics but it is still not electronic dance music because it is not 'Dance Music' it is 'Popular Music'.
Dance Music is made specifically for dancing whilst Pop Music is made specifically to get into the charts and make money. |
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| UWM |
| quote: | Originally posted by Hydarnes
You sound like you have some compelling evidence to the contrary from what I have stated. I'm most curious. I'm sure you can offer me more than a "you're wrong" without any reason at all, right?
BTW, I do apologize if my vocabulary conflicts with your comfort a bit, but please don't deny me some good reasons for your position. |
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First of all, your vocabulary doesn't compromise my comfort one bit. I know you think you're all intelligent being 19 and all, but trust me, you're not.
Here, I'm not going to bore you with long-winded rhetoric negating most of your points because I'm at work, I'm only going to ask you to listen to a particular track and tell me what style of music it is. Don't take into account the artist name it is released under, as that will only create bias and influence your decision.
Missy Elliot - 4 My People |
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| JakeC |
| quote: | Originally posted by UWM
Missy Elliot - 4 My People |
i think i can see what your doing :D
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| Ishkur |
| quote: | Originally posted by Hydarnes
Pop and Rock both employ a marginal amount of synthesizers.
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They're not sequenced.
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Muckluck: Ben Sims! There's a name I haven't heard in awhile. I remember the west coast techno tribes back in the late 90s, Neb Elliven, Tobias, Swayzak, and such who were into speed mixing: they'd play blistering fast minimal techno, and would throw down a new record every 20-30 seconds. But it wasn't for any aesthetic or entertainment value. Like turntablism, it was purely for the technical merit of doing so. Like I said: the musical equivalent of guitar wanking. They always were a bunch of pretentious tards.
Technical DJs are incredibly gifted, talented and skilled......but they're not #1.
| quote: | Originally posted by Hydarnes
that Rap and Hip-Hop DO NOT rely on electronic instruments to keep the musical style going. You can just as easily replace the background “electronic sounds” that are often used with instruments
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name one.
| quote: | Originally posted by Hydarnes
Surprise! So do Trance, House and Techno sometimes use instruments!!
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You just contradicted yourself in the same post. This statement and the above. You say that rap doesn't need electronics to be performed.....and then you go on to say that trance, house and techno don't need them either.
| quote: | Originally posted by Hydarnes
That’s not the issue here.
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If it's not the issue, then why are you using it as your only argument for rap's disqualification?
| quote: | Originally posted by Hydarnes
WHAT CONSTITUTES EDM, and obviously rap and hip-hop fail to be considered bonafide forms of “EDM”.
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You have yet to come up with a single solid reason for this justification, however.
| quote: | Originally posted by Hydarnes
Do you consider Pop EDM btw?
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Pop isn't anything. It has no allegiences to any sound, mode, method, taste, or musical apparatus. It is defined as that which is popular. Whatever is on the charts right now. There are signifiers (Pop Rock, Pop Punk, Hip Pop, Pop R&B, Dance Pop, etc...) to subcategorize for clarification purposes, but generally the term is rather meaningless insofar as it describes any actual musical aesthetic. |
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| sandstorm03 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
name one.
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I walked by a homeless guy rapping this morning... He was good actually... |
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| paranoik0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Hydarnes
On one end they pretend to believe that the criteria for making something “EDM” is when the music relies on electronic sounds and synths, but they just as readily elide the fact that Rap and Hip-Hop DO NOT rely on electronic instruments to keep the musical style going. You can just as easily replace the background “electronic sounds” that are often used with instruments and GUESS WHAT? You still have “Rap” folks, so guess what? |
if you remove the electronic sounds on a hip-hop track you still get "rap". good one, captain obvious. you might as well realise HIP-HOP DOES NOT EQUAL TO RAP, hence why hip-hop is EDM and rapping, well.. is just a part of hip-hop.
and i'm again going to use the analogy so many people have used before. maybe you're going to understand this time?
On eurodance, you can just as easily replace the background “electronic sounds” that are often used with instruments and GUESS WHAT? You still have “Vocals” folks, so guess what?
........... it's still EDM.
i hope i'm not saying any bull here, since i'm not the most educated in the matter.. but anyway i don't believe this guy is neither.
and yeah, i reckon this is getting repetitive. |
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| Hydarnes |
| quote: | Originally posted by paranoik0
if you remove the electronic sounds on a hip-hop track you still get "rap". good one, captain obvious. you might as well realise HIP-HOP DOES NOT EQUAL TO RAP, hence why hip-hop is EDM and rapping, well.. is just a part of hip-hop. |
Both constitute a peculariar style of singing, yet both are not necessarily together as you would suppose. Of course they aren't equal to one another. Rap and Hip-Hop are separate but styles, although occasionally mixed, so your argument fails on its debut. Because Hip-Hop is similar to rap they are usually stated together. But let's stick to rap for one moment. Would you agree with my verdict?
| quote: | | and i'm again going to use the analogy so many people have used before. maybe you're going to understand this time? |
Let's see if it makes sense, I can't wait to see what you're going to come up with!
| quote: | On eurodance, you can just as easily replace the background “electronic sounds” that are often used with instruments and GUESS WHAT? You still have “Vocals” folks, so guess what?
........... it's still EDM. |
ROFL! Even you don't believe this slice of hogwash--I'm sure you can come up with something more convincing. In fact, I'm inclined to think you're joking. Since when do "vocals" constitute "EDM"?
| quote: | | i hope i'm not saying any bull here, since i'm not the most educated in the matter.. but anyway i don't believe this guy is neither. |
Well, the proof is in the pudding isn't it?
| quote: | | and yeah, i reckon this is getting repetitive. |
Indeed it is--this we can agree on. I'm still waiting for the opposition to come up with something more compelling than "I'm right, you're wrong". |
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| Hydarnes |
Whoops, almost missed this one by Ishkur!
I don't need to name one for the concept to be valid. The fact is, THEY DON'T RELY ON ELECTRONIC MUSIC TO KEEP THEM IN EXISTENCE LIKE ALL THE OTHER FORMS OF EDM DO--THEREFORE THEY CANNOT BE REGARDED AS BONAFIDE FORMS OF EDM (ie. Trance, House, Techno etc).
How long is it going to take for you to realize this?
| quote: | | You just contradicted yourself in the same post. This statement and the above. You say that rap doesn't need electronics to be performed.....and then you go on to say that trance, house and techno don't need them either. |
You sure have a prolific imagination. I've never held such a position and I never will.
| quote: | | If it's not the issue, then why are you using it as your only argument for rap's disqualification? |
Okay, you either stop this context extraction or refrain from debating the issue.
| quote: | | You have yet to come up with a single solid reason for this justification, however. |
I think any unbiased person reading this will agree that my reasons are valid based on the generally accepted criterion for establishing what EDM is. The only difference is that I'm actually applying it.
| quote: | | Pop isn't anything. It has no allegiences to any sound, mode, method, taste, or musical apparatus. It is defined as that which is popular. Whatever is on the charts right now. There are signifiers (Pop Rock, Pop Punk, Hip Pop, Pop R&B, Dance Pop, etc...) to subcategorize for clarification purposes, but generally the term is rather meaningless insofar as it describes any actual musical aesthetic. |
Yes, I'm quite aware that "pop" is also a general term for "popular" music. Nevertheless, it does encompass a certain style of music. I'm really not going to debate about this right now, however, because it isn't directly pertinent to this debate. |
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| paranoik0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Hydarnes
Both constitute a peculariar style of singing, yet both are not necessarily together as you would suppose. Of course they aren't equal to one another. Rap and Hip-Hop are separate but styles, although occasionally mixed, so your argument fails on its debut. Because Hip-Hop is similar to rap they are usually stated together. But let's stick to rap for one moment. Would you agree with my verdict? |
Hip-Hop isn't a peculiar style of singing, Rap is a peculiar style of singing. Rap isn't EDM, it's a form of vocals. Hip-Hop is EDM, Rap is not. That's what i'm trying to say there, and what i tried to make you realise with that analogy which you clearly didn't understand at all:
| quote: | | ROFL! Even you don't believe this slice of hogwash--I'm sure you can come up with something more convincing. In fact, I'm inclined to think you're joking. Since when do "vocals" constitute "EDM"? |
Of course i don't believe it. I was just using the same argument for eurodance that you used for hip-hop to try to make you realise what was wrong with your argument. |
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